Dematerialisation.

[pattycakes_]

that wasn't quite what i was talking about, by that logic happy hardcoe and power metal were pre-internet infantalisations. i mean, the merger of the state with digital surveillance and the despicable postmodern family form. 'the family you can choose.' vile! the family must be destroyed.

Ignore the Mario thing. The definition I'm aware of is about it being a capitalist mechanism to keep us permanently stunted. Emotionally, spiritually etc. The most malleable state we can be in. Easily triggered by words and aesthetics. Feeding into our narcissistic traits. Stoking the ego

 

[luka]

obviously i personally like it speculative and broad and poetic. im not going to pretend those arent my leanings but there's space to drill down and get specific too

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

what do you want?

to learn more about the world, how it works, why people do what they do, why things happen, about myself, why I do what I do

to hopefully enjoy the company of friends and/or loved ones online or IRL as I do so

 

[thirdform]

the internet positing itself as the nexus of nearly all needs.

 

[luka]

autotune is not the be all and end all of dematerialisation. it's just one symbol and symptom and product among many. discussing it is not the cost of entry to the thread.

 

[luka]

to learn more about the world, how it works, why people do what they do, why things happen, about myself, why I do what I do

to hopefully enjoy the company of friends and/or loved ones online or IRL as I do so

i meant what do you want here, in this thread.

 

[luka]

if it's just to wind me up, no hard feelings. im sure i deserve it.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

my leanings

well I haven't read any of the heavy tomes you mentioned upthread either besides a few chapters of Das Kapital, and a bit of Kant ages ago

I don't know the pure ideas like third or (nomad, josef k, etc, going back), just bits and pieces. the only philosophy I really know is I know nothing.

my reading is largely academic history, and sometimes primary sources when I speak the language well enough or a good translation exists

you still misunderstand about facts tho - you don't learn the facts just know them, but to extract patterns. eventually you can fashion ideas.

my leanings are to compare things to other things. I'm not against broad, sweeping conclusions, just inherently suspicious.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

i meant what do you want here, in this thread

the exact same thing, in the context of discussing dematerialization

I don't ever try to wind people up, it's not my thing. not my trip.

 

[luka]

you don't learn the facts just know them, but to extract patterns. eventually you can fashion ideas.

you might think they are particularly bad ideas, but if you pay attention that is exactly what i have been doing. there are enough ideas in this thread to fill a thousand thinkpieces. this is exactly the game i am asking you to join me in playing. you don't have to be suspicious. loosen up. there's no teacher or daddy figure to tell you off. give yourself a break, you deserve it.

 

[thirdform]

tbf i need something light hearted to read these days.

 

[luka]

light a joss stick. put one of droids ambient mixes on. drink an herbal tea. relax that clenched fist of a brain. you can do this. i have the utmost faith in your intelligence and creativity. i wouldnt put all this effort in otherwise.

 

[thirdform]

but i really despise fantasy. and fanfiction never makes it better.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

infantilisation is largely driven by capitalism

agree here btw. tho probably consumerism moreso than capitalism.

seems largely technological determinism too? at both direct and metastructural level.

many people - in wealthy parts of the world - live longer, have less children and later in life, have disposable income, mostly don't serve in military conflicts, etc

there's basically no reason to grow up and stop playing with toys

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

you might think they are particularly bad ideas

no I think some of them are good, tho good and bad aren't really helpful descriptions

I have plenty of ideas tossed up here myself. some of them are probably good and some aren't.

what is the point of discussing something if not to work out what you think about it

 

[thirdform]

whats lofi black metal in a 2010s context? reflective or reactionary? Sure it is an *reactive* trend but is lofi always reactionary in the age of the internet?

 

[luka]

agree here btw. tho probably consumerism moreso than capitalism.

seems largely technological determinism too? at both direct and metastructural level.

many people - in wealthy parts of the world - live longer, have less children and later in life, have disposable income, mostly don't serve in military conflicts, etc

there's basically no reason to grow up and stop playing with toys

ok this feels like enough of a breakthrough that i can go to bed now. thank you.

by the way lads, this do a deep-reading of a piece of music thing, it's a great game. it's really helpful. i 100%| think everyone should give it a go. very ear-opening.

 

[thirdform]

is it the fidelity that makes something futuristic today.

 

[thirdform]

i mean something like dam-funk is probably reactive right. so we could apply the same to black metal.

But what exactly is not reactive today?

And when does something start becoming reactive? the traditional trend cycles have all disipated.

 

[pattycakes_]

is it the fidelity that makes something futuristic today.

Multiband dynamics&crazily intricate mixing techniques give that HD sheen. Glossy. It's hard to resist. Sweet on the ears. Very future. Also very fatiguing after extended listening