thirdform

pass the sick bucket
again, i think that's a conversation we've already had. i've said that i think that the music of the last couple of years is the most potently innovative and futurist music since jungle and lots of people have told me that i'm dumb for thinking so.

so now we're having a conversation about how xanax.


I don't think you're dumb or anything, I just think there is no future. what has the 2010s brought us really? nothing. even in the 2000s there was the glamour of high speed broad band and smart phones. 2010s have been relatively slow. nothing to get excited about. no new vistas of possibility opening up.
 

luka

Well-known member
That's ok third. We get it. We know where you're coming from and it's good to have a dissenting voice but let us have the conversation NywY.
 

sadmanbarty

Well-known member
I don't think you're dumb or anything, I just think there is no future. what has the 2010s brought us really? nothing. even in the 2000s there was the glamour of high speed broad band and smart phones. 2010s have been relatively slow. nothing to get excited about. no new vistas of possibility opening up.

that's another good one. the xanaxification of society as a reflection of stalled innovation. of economic depression; a world economy that never returned to dynamism. low productivity growth. flatlining globalisation.
 

luka

Well-known member
One new vista opening up is total surveillance capitalism.... For instance. Internet and big data as tools of oppression.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
jungle is different in that it was the combination of weed with bad Es/speed. so you had this dual effect of time speeding up and slowing down. If jungle was solely based on the weed mindset (as a culture) it would be horrifying. as a lot of the rootsier end of dubstep is.

Crunk also has this dual time effect by combining codeine with hard liquor. Xanax and the xanax mindset is not very conducive (not impossible!) to polysubstance abuse. and that often tends to create the most interesting and revelatory music to me.
 

sadmanbarty

Well-known member
Crunk also has this dual time effect by combining codeine with hard liquor. Xanax and the xanax mindset is not very conducive (not impossible!) to polysubstance abuse.

that's wicked. gets to the heart of this. the homogenising of everything. xanax has this innate quality to push away from novelty and contradiction. it reinforces itself. eliminates its competitors.
 

version

Well-known member
I don't think you're dumb or anything, I just think there is no future. what has the 2010s brought us really? nothing. even in the 2000s there was the glamour of high speed broad band and smart phones. 2010s have been relatively slow. nothing to get excited about. no new vistas of possibility opening up.

Are you positing an end of history, third?
 

pattycakes_

Can turn naughty
jungle is different in that it was the combination of weed with bad Es/speed. so you had this dual effect of time speeding up and slowing down. If jungle was solely based on the weed mindset (as a culture) it would be horrifying. as a lot of the rootsier end of dubstep is.

Crunk also has this dual time effect by combining codeine with hard liquor. Xanax and the xanax mindset is not very conducive (not impossible!) to polysubstance abuse. and that often tends to create the most interesting and revelatory music to me.

Xanax and alcohol is lush
 

sadmanbarty

Well-known member
that's wicked. gets to the heart of this. the homogenising of everything. xanax has this innate quality to push away from novelty and contradiction. it reinforces itself. eliminates its competitors.

Xanax rejects polytheism instead becoming this all-consuming pantheistic singularity.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
Are you positing an end of history, third?

far from it. I'm actually far more pessimistic than the conservatives. I think we're headed for some kind of protracted economic WW III. however within its agitations/ruins new possibilities might arise. the conservatives say everything is done, capitalism is eternal or will become authoritarian. history can't have an end because its always open to a violent, cataclysmic shake up.
 

luka

Well-known member
"there's an emotional component to all this. the idea that the exterior world is a pain to be mitigated. the popularity of opioid crisis-music speaks to this."

And that in mitigating it you create interior conditions which are actively blissful provided they are not imposed upon by the outside bitch don't kill my vibe.

Jealously guarding these bubbles of self contained good feeling. Solipsistic bliss. Sucking your own cock.
 

version

Well-known member
jungle is different in that it was the combination of weed with bad Es/speed. so you had this dual effect of time speeding up and slowing down. If jungle was solely based on the weed mindset (as a culture) it would be horrifying. as a lot of the rootsier end of dubstep is.

Crunk also has this dual time effect by combining codeine with hard liquor. Xanax and the xanax mindset is not very conducive (not impossible!) to polysubstance abuse. and that often tends to create the most interesting and revelatory music to me.

Didn't Rashad die of a lean overdose? Footwork and lean is quite a contrast.
 

version

Well-known member
far from it. I'm actually far more pessimistic than the conservatives. I think we're headed for some kind of protracted economic WW III. however within its agitations/ruins new possibilities might arise. the conservatives say everything is done, capitalism is eternal or will become authoritarian. history can't have an end because its always open to a violent, cataclysmic shake up.

So there is a future then?

“There is an infinite amount of hope in the universe... but not for us.”
 

luka

Well-known member
"there's an emotional component to all this. the idea that the exterior world is a pain to be mitigated. the popularity of opioid crisis-music speaks to this."

And that in mitigating it you create interior conditions which are actively blissful provided they are not imposed upon by the outside bitch don't kill my vibe.

Jealously guarding these bubbles of self contained good feeling. Solipsistic bliss. Sucking your own cock.

though the cocoon is not communion with self god nature howling void it's time obliterated by distraction and constant drip feed of entertainment. Which in a degraded sense is participation in the polis, which is, in a sense, the town square. the shared experience which binds us.
 

luka

Well-known member
"there's an emotional component to all this. the idea that the exterior world is a pain to be mitigated. the popularity of opioid crisis-music speaks to this."

And that in mitigating it you create interior conditions which are actively blissful provided they are not imposed upon by the outside bitch don't kill my vibe.

Jealously guarding these bubbles of self contained good feeling. Solipsistic bliss. Sucking your own cock.

What mdma seemed to be able to was to take this self enclosed personal bliss and Inject the social field with it so you look around and there is someone else sharing the experience loved up
 
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