Who are your favourite philosophers?

[luka]

"Even when there's no influence, there's often an affinity. I doubt know whether he ever read Spinoza, but Burroughs was a Spinozist through and through. So is Luke."

k-punk: Emotional engineering

k-punk.abstractdynamics.org

 

[luka]

wicked. im a spinozist without reading. result.

 

[dilbert1]

Ok, don't take this the wrong way, but what I really meant was "Has anyone else with a post count at least in triple figures read Kuhn?"

well I've read the essay, and that will still be true once I've posted 100 times. thanks for the clarification though

 

[linebaugh]

I think there's a point where form and content converge in regards to complex language. There is a limit to how much you can learn with a language that is immediately accessible to you, and much of what may be called learning could be better said a reminding or a re-intensification. In its worse from you have Jordan Peterson, he's accessible, but the learning being done looks more like regression. Its the unlearning and falling back on the nasty aspects of manhood that may be coded into you that shedding could be called progress

 

[version]

well I've read the essay, and that will still be true once I've posted 100 times. thanks for the clarification though

This is like watching an initiation rite. The new arrival sent into the enchanted forest armed with nothing but their wits and a spear to challenge the dread mushroom man.

 

[luka]

let's find out

 

[luka]

i write things in my famous poetry that people say is too hard to understand and i say i cant say it any other way

 

[luka]

whereas here i always use normal speaking human words as if i were an idiot

 

[linebaugh]

I want to say if the accessible is done right there's a feedback loop formed- when reading Capitalist Realism I was reminded and reassured of all that I had been reading in Anti Oedipus, but it also changed how I understood the latter while informing the former and left both changed. But whose to say the Peterson acholytes dont go through that same process

 

[luka]

we have about 3 or 4 Peterson acolytes here. we mostly tease them, in a nice way

 

[version]

I can't remember if I said it on here or on the Discord, but there was a comment chain under a clip of Mark where someone said how valuable his work was, someone else responded that all he was doing was making Deleuze and Guattari more accessible and the previous person responded "Exactly!".

 

[luka]

its not a sin

 

[constant escape]

@Linebaugh

Notice any particularly pronounced changes Anti Oedipus made on your reading of things?

I'm just beginning to understand schizoanalysis.

 

[entertainment]

Some of it is just blatantly obscurantist like this passage by Judith Butler that won her The Bad Writing Contest in an old literature journal:

The move from a structuralist account in which capital is understood to structure social relations in relatively homologous ways to a view of hegemony in which power relations are subject to repetition, convergence, and rearticulation brought the question of temporality into the thinking of structure, and marked a shift from a form of Althusserian theory that takes structural totalities as theoretical objects to one in which the insights into the contingent possibility of structure inaugurate a renewed conception of hegemony as bound up with the contingent sites and strategies of the rearticulation of power.

 

[version]

This is why I like fiction that tussles with philosophy. It makes it that bit easier. Burroughs or Pynchon saying something that overlaps with Deleuze is more likely to give me a handle on the thing being discussed than reading Deleuze himself. DeLillo talking about the media and the image is more likely to get through to me than Baudrillard.

 

[constant escape]

Its almost like you need a personal project/discourse that you are constantly elaborating, something to compare to other people's projects/discourses in order to maximally gain from them. Thoughts?

 

[luka]

i like having poetix here when he condesecends to take part because he is fluent in that laguage

 

[luka]

and when you have them in your circle you realise its not so fsar removed from your everyday idiot cogitations

 

[luka]

its mostly about the degree of abstraction

 

[luka]

ideally we bridge that gap