The Teaching Machine.

[constant escape]

You see what I'm getting at Stan? It's not dense or complicated. It's not theory. It's not philosophy. It's very very simple.

Yeah perhaps the trainerless training is on the scale of the socios, the macropsychic system, but the training on the scale of the individual, the psychic system, can be figured as having a trainer, if even an incorporeal one. The Big Trainer. Its as if the macropsychic system is bootstrapping itself by means of a collection of individuals who operate as if they are being trained, perhaps? The individual is trained by their reality.

An illusion of some kind of relationship with an external entity (the entity that is one's reality?), when really the whole thing is just immanent to the species-mind, the shizo mind. The exteriority arises and factors in at the level of the individual-mind.

In that sense, the task is the same as it has been for a while, to think from the perspective of the macropsychic system, rather than just the individual psychic system. How does the ontology of the swarm-of-units scale from the ontology of the unit?

But yeah your point about realizing it in a less distant way than purely intellectual, that point is spot on. You need to be through it, to realize it. You need to put your eggs in its basket, rather than just study the weaviture of it. The would-be abstract needs to be integrated into you, such that you become dependent on it, and feel that much more compelled to flesh it out, inhabit it.

Also, as an aside, I almost never evaluate these posts to see how understandable they are, so its on me if the message doesn't get across. I'd rather put up a dense-but-honest post than a clear-but-withheld post, but perhaps that will change. Also, part of the difficulty is that the position for which I would be clarifying doesn't seem like a position I'd want to sustain/reify by really catering to it.

 

[constant escape]

You see what I'm getting at Stan? It's not dense or complicated. It's not theory. It's not philosophy. It's very very simple.

But whats complicated is the manner in which we advance. Complicated in the sense of how the new can only be approximated by the tools at our disposal, and that we build ever more precise and robust tools to better approximate an ever-newer new.

 

[luka]

my experiences on the individual level are definitely characterised while in process as coming from Instructors outside of the self or as a training program outside the self

 

[luka]

But whats complicated is the manner in which we advance. Complicated in the sense of how the new can only be approximated by the tools at our disposal, and that we build ever more precise and robust tools to better approximate an ever-newer new.

Or perhaps they are very crude approximations of what they are externalisations of

 

[luka]

Also, as an aside, I almost never evaluate these posts to see how understandable they are, so its on me if the message doesn't get across. I'd rather put up a dense-but-honest post than a clear-but-withheld post, but perhaps that will change. Also, part of the difficulty is that the position for which I would be clarifying doesn't seem like a position I'd want to sustain/reify by really catering to it.

You come in and out of focus for me. Something it feels like you're just talking gibberish at other times it feels you have had experiences you are trying to communicate and make sense of.

 

[luka]

Most of the time I feel you must have had these experiences at some point at least, hopefully you have and we are mostly on same page.

 

[constant escape]

Or perhaps they are very crude approximations of what they are externalisations of

That too. It can perhaps be figured as a two step approximation. Our cognition is an approximation of that-which-is-cognized, and the material expression of our cognition is an approximation of said approximation. Its like the future is being filtered and materialized through the mind, the cognition.

Rather, its like the optimal pathway of the organism is being filtered through and materialized through the cognition, but what comes out isn't the optimal, but an approximation of it. But the accuracy of this approximation process is liable to be optimized itself.

Another attempt at saying it: What is being filtered and materialized through the cognition is the organisms optimal permutation, but this optimal permutation isn't perfectly achieved, isn't perfectly approximated.

(edit: the prefiltered and prematerialized conception of the optimal permutation would be a sort of "ideal self" or some such. Perhaps misguided at the individual level, but if you combine all the individual conceptions of ideal and average them together, you get a much more robust sense of direction.)

 

[constant escape]

You come in and out of focus for me. Something it feels like you're just talking gibberish at other times it feels you have had experiences you are trying to communicate and make sense of.

I'd imagine that is how it ought to feel if you are paying attention, but I can only speculate so clearly here.

 

[constant escape]

The gibberish instinct isn't wrong either. In pushing your limits of articulation, you are liable to traffic through zones beyond your understanding. The propensity toward this external frontier-zones is indicative, arguably, of a sort of capitalism, drawn perpetually to the limit in the interest of expanding it.

 

[constant escape]

That would be much closer to the essence of capitalism than anything having to do with money would be.

 

[constant escape]

So thats what I mean when I talk about capitalism. That kind of tendency-toward-the-limit, and how if that tendency is scaled up through the psychic system, up through the inter-psychic system, we get something like what most people refer to as capitalism. But that capitalism is far removed from the capitalism I'm always talking about. Its a way higher order manifestation of a mechanism that seems much more cosmically primal than even the human.

edit: so maybe what I'm talking about deserves a different name, if confusion is to be mitigated. But capitalism is, strictly speaking, a perfect name for it.

 

[constant escape]

And the trafficking-beyond-the-limit can be felt as a sort of on-one's-ownness that perhaps entails trauma. Like you are in the outskirts, with thinning cell reception. Leaving the grid to expand the grid. In fact it seems impossible to leave the grid without expanding it, hence the earlier comment about anti-capitalists being fugitives that, despite their intentions, bolster the very thing they want to destroy or escape.

 

[luka]

You understand what I'm talking about hopefully? It matches your own experience of being human?

 

[luka]

I want to make sure we are talking about the same things and not talking past one another

 

[constant escape]

About needing to connect your own experience to something, rather than only accessing that something through some abstract and intellectual way? Yeah, I feel that.

That difference allows one to intuit through, rather than just memorize through.

 

[luka]

We need a Rosetta Stone

 

[luka]

About needing to connect your own experience to something, rather than only accessing that something through some abstract and intellectual way? Yeah, I feel that.

That difference allows one to intuit through, rather than just memorize through.

No I mean about the experience of being inside the teaching machine, about feedback, about encountering the Instructors, about the Pink Temple.

 

[constant escape]

Well this thread has also launched me into a kind of trance, so theres that.

No I mean about the experience of being inside the teaching machine, about feedback, about encountering the Instructors, about the Pink Temple.

I don't know about any Pink Temple, but I do think we just have a different way of articulating things, things that, in and of themselves, don't exactly line up, but fall into very similar frameworks. Perhaps they even can fall into the same framework.

 

[constant escape]

So we may be aimed at different things, and have different ways of articulating/expressing/communicating those things, but the fabrics in which those things are embedded I think are similar if not coextensive, identical.

 

[constant escape]

Also I'm leaving the grid soon so I'm trying to pump out as much of the Word as possible.

edit: Milking the trance, that is.