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padraig (u.s.)

padraig (u.s.)

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suspendedreason said:
I need a good history of sprezzatura, Imma put that on the list
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I haven't actually read it but Sprezzatura by Paolo D'Angelo is on my get around to it at some point reading list

I've been interested in the concept ever since I came across it in Hilary Mantel's Thomas Cromwell trilogy

he and Henry VIII discuss Castiglione's Book of the Courtier at some point in I think the first book

it fits eerily perfectly into specifically a modern, irony and post-irony understanding of cool

that famous Sailor Socialism interview is totally sprezzatura in action, studied carelessness, defensive irony, etc
 
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padraig (u.s.) said:
and the real difference now is just that the despicableness is visible to anyone who cares to look, in real-time
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Even more so with hollywood I think. Like Katherine Hepburn or whoever seemed like an impossibly other being in a totally separate world in a way that just doesn't apply to J-Law with her leaked selfies and so on...
 
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@padraig (u.s.) Right—the InfoWars interviewer is silly; these issues are too complicated to be hashed out in "gotchas" like "Venezuelans are eating rats, do you want Americans to eat rats"—but at the same time, Nesrakova's clearly on the defense (she's accepted the frame—that they're gonna have a rational conversation about policy opinions—so now she has to live with it, bad ideas as it was) but she turns it around not with reasoning or a comparable "gotcha"—rather, she makes the InfoWars people low status. It's brilliant and I love her for it, even as I despise it.
 
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ContraPoints, in her "Cringe" video essay, argues this is basically how a lot of online discourse works, winning by making the other side low status—turning them untouchable, so that they taint all associates in turn. I've seen it happen with my own eyes with certain online forums.
 
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suspendedreason said:
I think part of the importance of this thread is that being "cool" has serious cultural importance. Maybe it didn't always used to be this way? Or maybe it did?
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It feels like the modern conception of coolness is a reaction to the overlooking of past coolness. Were aware of the discreet, impossibley cool bohemian scenes of the past and are fixated on getting in on the next wave. Im sure you know quite a few whove made themselves a Frankensteins monster of Sartre/Henry Rollins/ Warhol
 
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padraig (u.s.) said:
other people here are better placed than me to say for sure but the left's tension over unequal desire vs just unequal treatment seems like a reaction to both external (i.e. yr typical alt-right/MRM/Jordan Peterson narrative about gender roles and "biology" and whatever) and internal (what the stuff in this thread is about) factors, without, yeah, a really clear answer.
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has the left ever tried to tackle the problem of unequal desire? feels largely ignored, at least when compared to the rights fixation on it
 
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i told beiser to post music he likes and he made a thread about nigerian music - ive recalibrated him but i think hes offended
 
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And you know I really like Gus and it distresses me that he's so wrong about everything in life from his alt right politics to his indie music. He's young though and he's open minded and he's intelligent and he can change. Beiser on the other hand is an obvious psychopath.
 
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