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padraig (u.s.)
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that's true to an extent - I would say a couple things to that
one, that as far as right and left, futurism and its individual adherents were - like many artists/intellectual in the chaos of WWI and the interwar period - all over the place - and that as fascism took over in Italy, art there again hardened exactly the same thing - neoclassicism, Italy as the New Roman Empire, realist portraiture, great man striding forth boldly out of Ayn Rand fever dreams.
second, that futurism obviously wasn't reactionary. as I didn't say right-wing, I said reactionary - which the American alt and far-right indisputably are, the classic palingenetic rebirth to a mythical never was golden age, literally "Make America Great Again".
padraig (u.s.)
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hit me w/some more facile comparisons of antiracism to religious belief plz vimothy
i'll grade them while you're on yr way to the woke gulag
i'll grade them while you're on yr way to the woke gulag
vimothy
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brb, someone told me I need to read Nietzsche first
padraig (u.s.)
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leaving aside the art etc for a second, we all - again - know all this cultural stuff is the trappings, right?
the engine, like we were discussing in that other thread in re that Varoufakis interview, is austerity and what came out of it
the culture war had been going on for decades without turning into what it is now
the actual change in the last 10 years has been decreasing material conditions and increasing precarity of labor on a massive scale
the cultural stuff supercharges that engine, feeds it with that malignant energy, but on its own could never generate this kind of power
the engine, like we were discussing in that other thread in re that Varoufakis interview, is austerity and what came out of it
the culture war had been going on for decades without turning into what it is now
the actual change in the last 10 years has been decreasing material conditions and increasing precarity of labor on a massive scale
the cultural stuff supercharges that engine, feeds it with that malignant energy, but on its own could never generate this kind of power
IdleRich
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Sure, hence my qualifications.
padraig (u.s.)
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someone point to me the place where reactionary visual art has held a place of mass cultural significance
outside of an actual fascist state - or reactionary totalitarian state, let's say (terms which sure, could be debated)
outside of an actual fascist state - or reactionary totalitarian state, let's say (terms which sure, could be debated)
padraig (u.s.)
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I would agree with that
when an extreme reactionary force comes to power it converts to reaction or gets liquidated sooner or later, as happened w/the futurists
sus
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so, romanticism.
sus
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I agree but advance Internet, mobile phones, values crisis, and globalism—what's the evidence to tip it your way?
padraig (u.s.)
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sure, a formation of austerity exacerbated by technology
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@vimothy re your point about avant garde shooters. That does fit in nicely with the model of (neo)liberalism as incipient orthodoxy, and alt-right as negorthodoxy. But I gte to thinking about how resentful much of the given negorthodoxy must be, and that their values are, perhaps inherently, reactionary, and I start to doubt the substance of such positions.
I am currently feeling a swing back into alignment with the (neo)liberal orthodoxy, for what my current position is worth.
And I think @padraig (u.s.) 's point about precarity, compounded with @vimothy's point about technology, which I would approach in terms of information density, makes for a much more robust map of the particularity of our time.
edit: rather than either one of them on their own, that is.
I am currently feeling a swing back into alignment with the (neo)liberal orthodoxy, for what my current position is worth.
And I think @padraig (u.s.) 's point about precarity, compounded with @vimothy's point about technology, which I would approach in terms of information density, makes for a much more robust map of the particularity of our time.
edit: rather than either one of them on their own, that is.
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Although I really am not familiar with the societal mechanisms of labor, in as far as they relate to actual policy. Still in a very early stage of mapping.
padraig (u.s.)
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stagnant real wages, virtually the entire post-2008 recovery going to corporations and investors (i.e. those wealthy to have large investments). American workers haven't even come close recovering to the share of corporate income they had in 2008. the stock market totally decoupled from the economy - after an initial COVID crash markets have boomed all year through endless crises - hundreds of thousands of deaths, enormous upheaval, a trash economy, etc. one number Varoufakis cited was the LSE jumping 2% the same day it was announced British economic output had dropped 20%. enormous numbers of people being forced into precarious gig labor, including sex work.
when's the last time the far right was anything like this strong? the 1930s. after what? massive economic disruption and austerity.
padraig (u.s.)
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technology is certainly exacerbating and accelerating the situation but it didn't create it by itself
I'm not saying that without 2008 we wouldn't still have Lyft/Uber/Door Dash/etc or something like them
but they probably wouldn't be at a point where they could pump hundreds of millions of dollars into authoring and passing a proposition in California - to set a precedent for the country - that allows them to keep classifying their workers as independent contractors, or be getting ready to run the next White House - if you haven't seen it in other threads or elsewhere, take a look at how stuffed Biden's transition team is with big tech executives (and other corporate officers, but no surprise there, it's Biden)
I'm not saying that without 2008 we wouldn't still have Lyft/Uber/Door Dash/etc or something like them
but they probably wouldn't be at a point where they could pump hundreds of millions of dollars into authoring and passing a proposition in California - to set a precedent for the country - that allows them to keep classifying their workers as independent contractors, or be getting ready to run the next White House - if you haven't seen it in other threads or elsewhere, take a look at how stuffed Biden's transition team is with big tech executives (and other corporate officers, but no surprise there, it's Biden)
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I like The Cathedral of Light.
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or the american blend of anti-american culture has worked its way into the reserve. see european student protests mirroring the american despite an incongruent set of systemic issues. though globalism could come to make the whole premise of the question obsolete.
maybe the increase in general interest of, say, eastern culture could be representative of some lessening in total american cultural cache, but Im not sure thats too different from exotica.