Raving is nothing more than a utopian spectacle obfuscating a system of material and bodily exploitation of young people by organised criminals and perverts. The Major government was quite right to crack down on it, not because it constituted a threat to the capitalist system, but because of it’s moral and aesthetic degeneracy.
Do we really want out?
Dude, take it from someone who was there, it was like that. Super-utopian joyful vibes. Free of the twin tyrannies of booze and pulling. It felt like there was the freedom to enjoy yourself in a different way. This was mostly expressed by dancing, shouting, blowing airhorns, throwing your hands up in the air with piano breaks and rubbing Vicks vapour rub into the neck of total strangers. Shaky foundations on which to build a new world but there you have it.
I would take Third's opinion with pinch of salt as he's a confirmed miserablist with regard to this stuff.
Chill out rooms, in the context of a rave at full throttle, were amazing. As much magic happened amid the sparkling human wreckage there as in the big rooms. Saucer eye contact, massages, open hearted affirmations, big fat technicolour sparks of love flying around. It was hard to get away sometimes.
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Yes a focus on art and culture can come at the expense of understanding material conditions (PLUR rave mythology, wellness culture etc) and i do enjoy your mission to untangle those illusions.
But i think the point is that detachment from 'food in mouths' is not necessarily a prioritising of culture over everything, but an acknowledgment of cultures power to conceal and exploit (as well as inspire .. propaganda, religion etc) and he notes looking at punk, surrealism and psychedelia - the focus on aesthetics above all else is a move that allows all the principle or emancipatory power to be stripped out
Tbh he is is a materialist like you. In a way you are kpunk on overdrive. in your frenzied gnostic over-interpretation of any art and culture as political. So it might have been interesting to see him react to yur crazed class analysis, read you glorify or piss on millions of people ... all sparked from 9 min gabba YouTube. In threads like this you do come into your own!
YES. Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive,
But to be young was very heaven. Flashback to those most days. Just having survived the journey home was cause for more celebration.
Booze keeps coming. Microfocused attention on rolling a spliff cos you might not be able to stand up. Your eyes doing that bezerk wobbly thing every 30 seconds. Starting a sentence and forgetting what you were talking about by the end of of it. Endless days.
Fuck, I wanna go out now.
Worth noting that hooliganism underwent a substantial revival in the early 00s, around the same time that rave's residual scenes (UKG, Drum & Bass and Happy Hardcore) entered a period of substantial stagnation. The issuing of lifetime bans to the firms' ringleaders and worst offenders, along with the commercialisation of the Premier League, did more to bring an end to hooliganism as a mass culture than any lasting effects of the summer of '89.
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Funnily enough organised crime also spiked during the Major government era in clubland though. Tony Tucker and them mans. Club UK. 101 trance anthems gunman style digga digga oingy boingy.
Again though rudewhy Beethoven is just too germanic for the British temperament - too teutonically magesterial and epic, too proto-kraftwerkian. Unfortunately traditional Brits will never be able to morally entice the youth for that very reason.
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there's also a lot of very sentimental mythologising of belfast raves bridging the divide. It was mentioned in the context of the macro level societal effects of MDMA at a psychedelic society chat by luka's reverse namesake david luke, and its something Bicep allude to in the press for their latest album
and there's a little truth there, even up to early 2000s in clubs I certainly had plenty of pilled up "i dont give a fuck about all that shit mate its all about the tunes" But if we're going to talk about a space where people from both communities mixed freely we should also mention shopping! in the city centre, every day... and in this sense you could take a more cynical view on the emancipatory power fo the rave and reframe it as, you only have to have certain pleasures offered to you in a more neutral and safe environment to abandon certain principles
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This simply isn't true.
is it? admittedly pissing in kettle, but he said that they had no jungle.
Sure, they had UKG, but only surface level.
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I think the desire for exit is genuine. But we want more than one thing, and the things we want are in conflict.. not a flaw its a necessity for life
We do want out but we also want to stay in and dont even know what were 'in' in the first place. some of our desires have been distorted massively if not produced outright by the system we want out of
we want a free loving acceptant space but we also want to feel cooler and more attractive than everyone else cc @Simon silverdollarcircle
etc
We do want out but we also want to stay in and dont even know what were 'in' in the first place. some of our desires have been distorted massively if not produced outright by the system we want out of
we want a free loving acceptant space but we also want to feel cooler and more attractive than everyone else cc @Simon silverdollarcircle
etc
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give me some listening homework @thirdform
Glasgow is a clubbing city but it's a very 4/4 pulse that runs through it.
I've seen jungle go down disastrously a few times and UKG is barely present. Also "minimal" never really took off - you need long nights to get lost in a groove for that and our licensing laws don't lend themselves to that.
I've seen jungle go down disastrously a few times and UKG is barely present. Also "minimal" never really took off - you need long nights to get lost in a groove for that and our licensing laws don't lend themselves to that.