other_life
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they're not is the thing!
come discuss something on /mu/ with me real quick
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other_life
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that's so fucking deadening
other_life
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in perdition rn do not mind me
other_life
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the issue i think is people who witnessed the gladhanding + artificial bubbles of late-period indie, of which chillwave-as-proposition and ALTERED ZONES-as-pitchfork venture were definitely a part, have a bad taste in their mouth from it that they associate vaporwave with, even if vaporwave is people like dissensus posters taking aspects of chillwave that were smoothed-away in its presentation to a wider public and running with them in the opposite direction
mvuent
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jk. would apply to normal people but not the weirdos here.
the discussion of liminal spaces was great for example https://www.dissensus.com/index.php?threads/15545/page-14
shiels
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“You can hear it in Drake’s signature move—the transition from rap to singing, the slipping down from ego-assertion into a sensual purring, the relaxing into a lasciviousness that has nothing to do with the localized libido and dumb automatisms of phallic sexuality. Down here, there is a glorious release from the pressures of identity. Rave-like, pitched-up vocals are suspended on placid currents of synth. Voices stop being human, become avatars from a space where subjectivity has been left behind like a bad dream. On the opener, “Tuscan Leather”, Whitney Houston’s ghost is summoned from the hotel bathroom, mutated into some butterfly-fragile chirruping creature singing inside a specimen jar. I’m frequently reminded of nothing so much as the refracted architectures and water sprites of Balam Acab’s Wander/Wonder. When you dive into these electro-oceanic depths, Nothing Was the Same ceases to be a fascinating symptom of all the blockages of the present, and becomes a longing for something new, something strange and lovely. ~”
For me it's more that i don't understand that continuum, in a literal sense. the roadmap hasn't been revealed to me, and a lot of that has to do with lack of trying granted, but i can't shake the feeling ive heard all this stuff in electroacoustic before hand. Given i got into electroacoustic through hardcore (everything from the harder darker stuff to sample crazy chipmunkadelic bizniz) and free jazz, knowledge itself probably becomes a double edged sword for me. For instance if i got into electroacoustic through James ferraroah or Clams Casino i would be able to interface with this stuff more. As much as it is 'internet culture' i can't really think of many vapourwave heads in the UK, compared to US where it genuinely seems to be a subculture of sorts.
mvuent
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i think it's a mistake to compare this music to electroacoustic, besides a few releases. and i would know, i've been doing exactly that for two years...
...if anything, maybe it's a testament to the music's imaginative sprawl/lack of boundaries that it even spilled into the edges of that esoteric territory without trying.
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Woebot
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every generation has this kind of micro-question with regards to music. @other_life i'm really glad that you feel so strongly about these things - that it is possible to be so impassioned about them.
my 5 cents is that impermanence of the shifting sands of the digital mediascape (i mean - where could one actually buy physical copies of these tracks) creates an intense anxiety when it comes to fixing their generational importance.
for instance you can visit john lennon's childhood home in liverpool but this stuff? luckily some of the early dubstep came on physical formats i suppose - but vaporwave?
if i was a member of your generation (and i also think of @sadmanbarty and all his drill videos which get removed from YouTube) i would be ripping/downloading/documenting and archiving this stuff. making a huge organised data silo of it.
mvuent
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Keep Circulating the Tapes - TV Tropes
There once was a show. You know, that show. It was a really good show. Or maybe it was something else. Still, you'd love to relive the memories, and share it with your friends. There's just one problem: It's impossible. Watch and record reruns?
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sad how much early internet culture has already been lost because people didn't do that
luka
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dunno why other_life thinks we allow people to listen to dubstep. ive talked loads about what i admire about vapourwave but the problem for me is that the music itself gets on my nerves mainly becasue of the annoying channel surfing thing it does can you stop changing the channel please i was just getting into that