Mine too.... someone added me to a No Wave group on fb and, although I'm not a particularly active participant, I saw this post today which seems relevant to what's being discussed here - although I'll admit I'm not a hundred percent sure what they are trying to sayAfter macho male-dominated punk, women had a brilliant emergence in post-punk: Delta 5, Au Pairs, Mo-dettes, Maximum Joy, Kleenex/Liliput, Rip Rig & Panic, Slits (although they transitioned punk to post-punk). Some of my favorite music.
I think that they are trying to say that the original no-wavers were authentically untrained whereas others have had to fake that in an attempt to get the sound.The difference between no wave and everything else is that no wave is not musical struggling to be musical, and everything else is musical struggling to be discordant. Outside the strict definition of bands that were on the No New York comp etc Yoko for instance, got it. Her band played a blues jam behind her. They didn't understand her music or how to accompany her. Most modern bands credited as "no wave" are more than competent with their instruments, trying to be discordant. No wave bands often had musical bass and drums, but guitar and/or keyboards were beautiful chaos. Your thoughts?
Ah ok, so they are literally post-punk in that they area a music that comes after punk and goes in a totally different direction, not post-punk as it's commonly understood meaning - what? - a style of music that grew out of punk, keeping a similar sound palette and something of the aesthetic and DIY approach but drawing on influences such as dub, funk and disco to create a much more varied and (for me) musically interesting sound?they made music acceptable again in the wake of prog then punk without heading down the post-punk negative image route or the new wave artificial humans route
Yeah, that was exactly what I was trying to say.there's also post-punk as in the sound (angular, artsy, dancy) and post-punk as in "any band that came out after punk", which I guess could include dire straits. I think in terms of the former, that's the stuff I love.
yeah all these are pre-punk sounds, but i'm not gonna defend my ridiculous thesis, it's based on this list of bands who played at the rochester castle (stoke newington wetherspoons) in the day:dub, funk and disco
Is there a DIY aesthetic in 2021? Can't be bothered to start threadYeah, they are pre-punk sounds but when art school punks took influences from them and mixed it with a DIY aesthetic you got post-punk.
I dunno, but I was talking about in 1980 or whatever.... or is this just a general question, unrelated to what I said?Is there a DIY aesthetic in 2021? Can't be bothered to start thread
Yeah tangentI dunno, but I was talking about in 1980 or whatever.... or is this just a general question, unrelated to what I said?
That would be my guess. If you hear something that does sound cheap and homemade as discussed then it is probably the result of a choice rather than cos it was the only sound they could get. Fake basically.So no aesthetic
I mean maybe it could be arrived at genuinely by a combination of cheap gear and ineptitude though perhaps.That would be my guess. If you hear something that does sound cheap and homemade as discussed then it is probably the result of a choice rather than cos it was the only sound they could get. Fake basically.