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luka

luka

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is it inferior. do we have the gestalt overall knowledge to understand why it might be inferior?
 
william_kent

william_kent

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bit of a crossover with the 'relationship with your dad' thread, but my dad was into 'trad' ( chris barber, acker bilk, etc., ) which destroyed my attempts to appreciate jazz at a young age, it was only getting a budget Miles Davis album which won me over, but the trad stuff was, well, shit..

but that's the UK scene - in the US they had 'cool', and Chet Baker, the no.1 smackhead horn player.. I've no idea what he sounds like, but his autobiography is on my 'to read list' - apparently it mostly consists of anecdotes about how to trick pharmacists into writing scripts to maintain your habit
 
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catalog

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The art pepper autobio, straight time, is really good, well worth a read. He dictated it to his wife I think, so it reads like oral history. Great scenes in jail and at synanon. He's good about his tattoos, said he got em so he looked cool.
 
william_kent

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catalog said:
The art pepper autobio, straight time, is really good, well worth a read. He dictated it to his wife I think, so it reads like oral history. Great scenes in jail and at synanon. He's good about his tattoos, said he got em so he looked cool.
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Ok, that's going straight onto my "to order and then plonk on a pile of unread books" list
 
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catalog

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I'll warn you now, it's huge. But it's very readable. It's got that ellroy/bukowski feel in the begin 50s LA lowlife scene.

And it's also pretty interesting in the way he describes the black/white issues going on. As expected, much more complex than you might first think.
 
WashYourHands

WashYourHands

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william_kent said:
bit of a crossover with the 'relationship with your dad' thread, but my dad was into 'trad' ( chris barber, acker bilk, etc., ) which destroyed my attempts to appreciate jazz at a young age, it was only getting a budget Miles Davis album which won me over, but the trad stuff was, well, shit..

but that's the UK scene - in the US they had 'cool', and Chet Baker, the no.1 smackhead horn player.. I've no idea what he sounds like, but his autobiography is on my 'to read list' - apparently it mostly consists of anecdotes about how to trick pharmacists into writing scripts to maintain your habit
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The old man had a trad section but it was limited to a couple of Barber bits (50’s kids innit). Among a pretty vast collection of all sorts, he worshipped Mulligan, Baker, Anita O’Day and Blossom Dearie. He’d drive anywhere in Britain to listen to touring players. His jazz records are among my most prized material possessions



and more for an evening even though there’s plenty of filler to skip (like that cunt from the RHCP)

 
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william_kent

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IdleRich said:


Aside - why are there so many songs called The Russians Are Coming?
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I think it's the title of a film that was popular in the 60s - those ska sides would have been recorded at the height of the Cuban missile crisis and general cold war paranoia - I seem to remember the film was about the Russians building a tunnel so they could invade America
 
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thirdform

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whites are terrible at funk and rnb mostly. I was going to say dance pop but thats their genre so they can have it.
 
john eden

john eden

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There is a good Stewart Lee sketch where he is out campaignging against the Vortex in Stoke Newington closing down and a black woman passerby says it's a lot of bollocks.

So he points out to this fictional woman that jazz is part of the great tradition of black music and she replies "Yes, but not the jazz that YOU like, that has more to do with the post-war european avant garde" and walks off.
 
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