Terrorism/Media

[craner]

I tend to think this way too, and I;ve heard this voiced by figures in the intelligence community (I can try to track down who and what, if needed), namely that there was a disorganized state of intelligence gathering/reporting/sharing leading up to 9/11, and as I understand it part of DHS's mandate was to help facilitate intelligence pertaining to, well, homeland security.

Well done, lads.

 

[luka]

 

[craner]

Luke's desperate rearguard action will now involve a lot of memes and YouTube videos.

 

[version]

I think there are degrees to conspiracy theories and it's disingenuous to group them the way people often do. There's a difference between talking about stuff like Allen Dulles or suggesting elements of the CIA may have been running guns or whatever and the kind of shit you hear from people like David Icke.

 

[luka]

Luke's desperate rearguard action will now involve a lot of memes and YouTube videos.

its not a real victory if you just bully people into saying what you want

 

[luka]

its like afghanistan, as soon as you turn your back they'll be posting steel beams memes again

 

[craner]

I was just asking questions, as the 9/11 sceptics like to say!

 

[Clinamenic]

I think there are degrees to conspiracy theories and it's disingenuous to group them the way people often do. There's a difference between talking about stuff like Allen Dulles or suggesting elements of the CIA may have been running guns or whatever and the kind of shit you hear from people like David Icke.

Are there aspects common to what you think of as sensible conspiratorial thinking?

I would say its sensible primarily in the absence of evidence, or in situations where it is tactful for a party to withhold evidence. And even here, its still possible to ground one's logic in evidence, that is to ground ones propositions in documents and data that other people can audit, in order to reach conclusions that may not be evident themselves.

 

[craner]

It's like that Loose Change guy, he would always come on all "Yeah, Bush did the Towers!" until he got any push back, when he would quickly retreat to his safe position of "Hey, I'm just asking questions!"

These guys are con artists, exploiting ignorance and stupidity.

 

[craner]

I have a really low tolerance for this shit, which is why Luke gets so much sport from winding me up about it.

 

[version]

What would you class something like Gladio as? Would that fall under conspiracy theory or something like military history?

 

[WashYourHands]

20th anniversary next month. Now that’s weird. 2 decades, *clicks fingers, gone like that

*time not the towers

 

[luka]

you think that reading few articles in Time magazine and browsing some mass market biographies you pick up in Waterstones gives you a grouding in real knowledge. its delusional

 

[luka]

20th anniversary next month. Now that’s weird. 2 decades, *clicks fingers, gone like that

*time not the towers

David Lynch says Bush knocked down the towers

 

[craner]

you think that reading few articles in Time magazine and browsing some mass market biographies you pick up in Waterstones gives you a grouding in real knowledge. its delusional

Well, it's an advance on your position, at least.

 

[WashYourHands]

David Lynch says Bob knocked down the towers

 

[Clinamenic]

you think that reading few articles in Time magazine and browsing some mass market biographies you pick up in Waterstones gives you a grouding in real knowledge. its delusional

Interesting how the defiance of the established narrative is sort of pure resistance, irrespective of factual truth as such. I can understand the passionately conspiracy theorists in this sense.

 

[luka]

Interesting how the defiance of the established narrative is sort of pure resistance, irrespective of factual truth as such. I can understand the passionately conspiracy theorists in this sense.

pure resistance is the best thing in life. just say you dont understand any time they try and teach you anything.

 

[craner]

What would you class something like Gladio as? Would that fall under conspiracy theory or something like military history?

The history of a conspiracy. There's enough evidence in the public domain to put that beyond "theory" or, indeed, fantasy.

 

[Clinamenic]

pure resistance is the best thing in life. just say you dont understand any time they try and teach you anything.

Really it works to disrupt and frustrate them in ways that perhaps cannot be achieved by playing along with rationality and evidence-based thinking.