The Matrix vs Ghostbusters

[sus]

First of all, Mexicans aren't a race lmfao

Second of all, no statements about Mexicans in general were made, just statements about illegal immigrants, which is a behavioral subset defined by their actions, not by their phenotype

 

[Clinamenic]

The quote about Mexico is odd in that it asserts the Mexican government (“They” presumably) is sending refugees and emigres, which I assume is a way of catering to people’s need to ascribe agency to the casual end of a given phenomenon, when really things are hardly so clean.

 

[sus]

If you're conflating action-based critiques with race-based critiques, purely on the grounds that those critiqued HAPPEN to be brown-skinned, maybe you're the one who should have his racism meter checked, ya bloke

 

[linebaugh]

 

[luka]

oh my god!!!!!!!!

 

[sus]

The quote about Mexico is odd in that it asserts the Mexican government (“They” presumably) is sending refugees and emigres, which I assume is a way of catering to people’s need to ascribe agency to the casual end of a given phenomenon, when really things are hardly so clean.

Yeah it's weird and wrong in a thousand ways, it just happens not to be racist.

Which, honestly, points to the deeper failing of the liberal establishment. When you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. But uh, sometimes things aren't nails, and you should use a different critical tool.

 

[Mr. Tea]

 

[Clinamenic]

But really this seems like a non-point. What useful conclusions are we deriving from this analysis? Surely liberal news sources may feel motivated highlight this speech excerpt to support the (effective) political claim that Trump is racist, and I would, myself, claim that that of statements breeds xenophobia, without being racist per se, but that is largely a semantic distinction.

 

[luka]

The quote about Mexico is odd in that it asserts the Mexican government (“They” presumably) is sending refugees and emigres, which I assume is a way of catering to people’s need to ascribe agency to the casual end of a given phenomenon, when really things are hardly so clean.

this happens at the start of scarface

 

[linebaugh]

 

[sus]

Version's obsessed with me or somethin

 

[linebaugh]

this happens at the start of scarface

amazing film

 

[luka]

oh my god im in ecstasy

 

[linebaugh]

 

[version]

Version's obsessed with me or somethin

Version appreciation thread

I like Version a lot. I wanna make sure he feels properly appreciated. I'm gonna share some of my favorite Version content and I encourage you to do the same.

dissensus.com

 

[sus]

But really this seems like a non-point. What useful conclusions are we deriving from this analysis? Surely liberal news sources may feel motivated highlight this speech excerpt to support the (effective) political claim that Trump is racist, and I would, myself, claim that that of statements breeds xenophobia, without being racist per se, but that is largely a semantic distinction.

Yeah I agree we're getting distracted. Let's just consider it resolved—it's unproductive to cast Trump supporters as a monolith, just like any other group (and to recap: prejudice is bad both for the object and bearer of that prejudice)

 

[Mr. Tea]

Actually, seriously, if you see "illegal immigrants from a COUNTRY are disproportionately their CRIMINALS compared to that country's GENERAL population" as an indictment of a RACE in general (what race?? "Mexicans"?? lmfao), you should get the noggin checked. It's a pretty big linguistic problem you're up against. A base level of self-distrust is probably well-advised.

You're the one who brought up the "Mexican race" and now you're trying to bash me with it?

But whatever. His statement, even if filtered through your most-generous-possible interpretation, is still incorrect. As well as obviously intended to stir up anti-Mexican sentiment.

 

[sus]

But whatever. His statement, even if filtered through your most-generous-possible interpretation, is still incorrect. As well as obviously intended to stir up anti-Mexican sentiment.

No it's FUCKING NOT obviously intended.

do you know ANYTHING about language

I thought this was resolved I thought we were over this

Intentionality is anything BUT obvious

 

[Mr. Tea]

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I don't think we're ready for this level of meme-ception.

 

[sus]

godDAMMIT go read later Wittgenstein or something, you actually DON'T know what Trump intended when he said X, and you never will, and this is the ENTIRE LIBERAL HUBIS IN A NUTSHELL