The Front

[shiels]

Cmon then sort the men from the boys

 

[luka]

what does this mean?

this was a difficult question too.

 

[WashYourHands]

Fuck all, seriously

 

[linebaugh]

Difficult question @suspended @toko @version

what about the libidinal economy?

 

[WashYourHands]

what about the libidinal economy?

 

[Clinamenic]

Difficult question @suspended @toko @version

Maybe just how to connect these tenets to the development of western qua continental philosophy.

 

[WashYourHands]

How would D&G view shagging apps?

They’d be all over them in multiple senses of the term, plus all the philosophy groupies hoping to score

 

[luka]

Not pleasure so much as enculturation of need gratification

Stan what did you think this means? WYHs says it means fuck all but you liked it so you must have interpreted it one way or another

 

[Clinamenic]

Stan what did you think this means? WYHs says it means fuck all but you liked it so you must have interpreted it one way or another

The process by which a system (in this case a neurochemical/neuroelectrical system) can account for environmental activity, by way of reinforcing its behaviors that led to favorable outcomes and inhibiting behaviors that let to unfavorable outcomes.

That is, if some sequence of motor activities (as determined by motor signals in nerves) led to some favorable outcome (food), then that sequence of motor activities may be associated with that favorable outcome by way of some release of certain neurochemicals in certain ways as to affect a sense of pleasure/gratification.

 

[Clinamenic]

Its a more specific and accurate way of describing a dynamic that I just bluntly called pleasure.

 

[Clinamenic]

The process by which a system (in this case a neurochemical/neuroelectrical system) can account for environmental activity, by way of reinforcing its behaviors that led to favorable outcomes and inhibiting behaviors that let to unfavorable outcomes.

That is, if some sequence of motor activities (as determined by motor signals in nerves) led to some favorable outcome (food), then that sequence of motor activities may be associated with that favorable outcome by way of some release of certain neurochemicals in certain ways as to affect a sense of pleasure/gratification.

In principle, however vaguely, these neurochemical mechanisms are means by which a nerve-enabled system can "remember" favorable sequences of signals and execute said sequences when recognizably similar circumstances arise.

 

[Clinamenic]

Its fascinatingly complex, but it all seems to be a sprawling feedback system bookended by sensory nerves (afferent) and motor nerves (efferent), all administered by the brain.

 

[Clinamenic]

And somehow hypostasized in this system is consciousness, the locus of self-reflective cognition.

 

[Clinamenic]

Personally I don't know how accurate the picture I just painted is, namely I don't know if we thoroughly understand the nervous and neurochemical mechanisms by which certain sequences of motor movements become established and reinforced.

 

[Clinamenic]

Yet alone what the purview of the conscious will is.

 

[Clinamenic]

Personally I don't know how accurate the picture I just painted is, namely I don't know if we thoroughly understand the nervous and neurochemical mechanisms by which certain sequences of motor movements become established and reinforced.

Bear in mind, speaking is a sequence of motor movements.

 

[Clinamenic]

The process by which a system (in this case a neurochemical/neuroelectrical system) can account for environmental activity, by way of reinforcing its behaviors that led to favorable outcomes and inhibiting behaviors that let to unfavorable outcomes.

That is, if some sequence of motor activities (as determined by motor signals in nerves) led to some favorable outcome (food), then that sequence of motor activities may be associated with that favorable outcome by way of some release of certain neurochemicals in certain ways as to affect a sense of pleasure/gratification.

At the risk of being a thermodynamic reductionist, the bottom line does seem to be the procurement of nutrients qua macromolecules from which energy, or molecules that aid in the system of deriving energy, is derived.

 

[Clinamenic]

But at this point I am at a loss, in terms of technical knowledge, as to how precisely energy is derived from the likes of adenosine triphosphate. Does it have to do with ATP ionizing other biomolecular structures? Does it donate hydrogen more regularly? Do our bioenergetic systems just happen to be structurally compatible with ATP in particular?

This is a blindspot for me that, once illuminated, should help tie together the epistemic chain of supervenient topics, namely between chemistry and biology. I don't doubt such illumination will ensue in relatively short order.

 

[Clinamenic]

At the risk of being a thermodynamic reductionist, the bottom line does seem to be the procurement of nutrients qua macromolecules from which energy, or molecules that aid in the system of deriving energy, is derived.

That is to say that some conscious activity may be disregardable as epiphenomenal, pending evidence otherwise.

 

[sus]

Never read D&G, gonna abstain til someone convinces me otherwise

My understanding is they're just Frenchified cybernetics, basically? So reading them in English is like a weird dark mirror lossy version of the original?