White people ruining shit for other white people

[sus]

@WebEschatology do you have these drought relations with the world? I've never wished I was black contra Luka but I do feel like it would be nice right now not to have OppressorFace. I guess this is how the brown people of the world get back... Ruining white people enjoyment through guilt

 

[sus]

on being around other tourists: i hear you. it's a strange feeling, especially in places where you can immediately identify who's a tourist and who's not from the colour of their skin. for me it feels bad being part of that tourist flow, on some level. at the same time, its not disaster, these aren't intense feeling, more mild discomforts. it's generally very easy to get out of it as well in most places, depending on where you are. you just have to go to another bit of the city. tourists cluster in small areas a lot, generally the places where there are things to see. i don't think i've been anywhere where it's impossible to escape all that if you want to, except like small tourist towns, towns by the beach, that kind of thing.

I'm trying but I've been glum and melancholy the past two days walking around. Maybe I need to change neighborhoods. Or take a buncha tramadol

 

[luka]

I usually just cut my losses, change the flight date and go home asap

 

[shakahislop]

And if I go somewhere with less American tourists then I'm just the first wave of the same dynamic and are my only options here being a wage chuck my whole life so I can travel and live in expensive places where I don't price anyone out? This is the riddle

sometimes you're really not the part of a first wave. most places, even somewhere like mexico (maybe you're in cancun in which case it might be a different story), will never become tourist-land. you're just a random foreigner exploring.

 

[sus]

It's a very clever tactic guilt very insidious milk curls and sours your food moulds experience feels tainted even as everything remains the same

The only problem is it asymmetrically affects people who are capable of feeling it, and let's the true bastards off the hook

 

[version]

what the fuck are you all on about

 

[luka]

You've never left Accrington version you wouldn't know but Gus is telling no lies travel is truly hell

 

[sus]

sometimes you're really not the part of a first wave. most places, even somewhere like mexico (maybe you're in cancun in which case it might be a different story), will never become tourist-land. you're just a random foreigner exploring.

Yeah I can see that but to do that you have to pick the place randomly or on first principles. If you go somewhere recommended and then recommend it to friends you're just part of a mimetic cascade

 

[shakahislop]

I'm trying but I've been glum and melancholy the past two days walking around. Maybe I need to change neighborhoods. Or take a buncha tramadol

i had this in your part of the world, in chicago, i was there by myself, there were moments where things clicked and i started to enjoy myself, walking around bronzeville, hyde park, but generally i was in a bad mood through the whole couple of days. i did what luka suggests, went home early, was supposed to go up to milwaukee and minneapolis but cut it short. it sucked actually. but it's also alright. like a lot of things, for me travelling is hit and miss, sometimes it works and is glorious, the reward is totally worth it, but other times it doesn't. someone told me that tango dancing is like that, mostly sucks, but every now and then it pays off with the right partner on the right night. loads of things are like that. with travelling the stakes a bit higher because its such an all encompassing activity

 

[sus]

I'm in the capital city btw

 

[luka]

Limburger is the one in Chicago although he's a Texan farmboy by birth

 

[sus]

i had this in your part of the world, in chicago, i was there by myself, there were moments where things clicked and i started to enjoy myself, walking around bronzeville, hyde park, but generally i was in a bad mood through the whole couple of days. i did what luka suggests, went home early, was supposed to go up to milwaukee and minneapolis but cut it short. it sucked actually. but it's also alright. like a lot of things, for me travelling is hit and miss, sometimes it works and is glorious, the reward is totally worth it, but other times it doesn't. someone told me that tango dancing is like that, mostly sucks, but every now and then it pays off with the right partner on the right night. loads of things are like that. with travelling the stakes a bit higher because its such an all encompassing activity

Luckily I'm with friends including Snavvy Snav letsee if they can cheer me iup

 

[luka]

. with travelling the stakes a bit higher because its such an all encompassing activity

And cripplingly expensive

 

[luka]

tbh Gus I would say go into a bar, the first bar you see, sit at the bar, not in a corner, and just order beer after beer. That's easily your best option

 

[shakahislop]

I'm in the capital city btw

i get what you mean about being part of an invasion. thinking about la condesa, and those other bits of town which are lovely but where you can see the foreigners taking over, the young ones, the ones who like nice coffee and who are probably pretty nice, yeah i can see that for sure

 

[luka]

You will end up in a good mood if you stick at it. It's not a long term solution but you might just need to get over this hump

 

[shakahislop]

And cripplingly expensive

yeah. there's that as well. it does change it a lot. because there's more of a pressure on you to enjoy it, because you've paid a lot for it. and you are paying more every moment, every time you do something you have to open your wallet

 

[luka]

Stick to lagers, but drink them quickly. Show you mean business. The bartender will start talking to you after the forth or fifth one and you'll start to feel accepted

 

[shakahislop]

i had a nice morning walking from the tourist bit to san angel. but i was in a frame of mind where i could be comfortable with my own thoughts and company. it's a nice activity, a long walk, except on those days your own brain is getting at you

 

[luka]

I did this when I was stuck in Edinburgh by myself for an afternoon. I was just traipsing about like a cunt for a couple of hours then I thought fuck it lets get pissed and after a while I was convinced everyone was my friend