Suspended's thread

[Clinamenic]

But it also can enable one to make more interesting discoveries, and the challenge then becomes how integrally you can relay these findings back to the crowd, i.e. minimize the communicative loss rate by speaking in terms that normal people can understand and ideally intuit.

It can also be understood as a oscillation between psychonormative and psychopathological states, in the spirit of pragmatism.

 

[Clinamenic]

Yeah this interpretation, which I largely share, can lead one to the conclusion that consciousness itself is an evolutionary spandrel of extropy.

This interpretation has profound implications regarding the future of our relationship with our technology.

 

[Clinamenic]

It can also be understood as a oscillation between psychonormative and psychopathological states, in the spirit of pragmatism.

Like right now, in terms of how I am able to communicate with and relate to other humans, I feel significantly more normal than I did, say, five months ago. This is manifest largely in a more casual diction, e.g. "like".

 

[woops]

Like right now, in terms of how I am able to communicate with and relate to other humans, I feel significantly more normal than I did, say, five months ago. This is manifest largely in a more casual diction, e.g. "like".

This is you last October

You think Himmler did DMT?

 

[sus]

but does the fact your not very good at it not suggest that your understanding of it is faulty? i'd trust a master manipulator on the topic of manipulation.

No this is a fallacy, people who are very good at it do it so naturally they couldn't explicate it, and often don't have incentive to (it only makes other players stronger)

That said—how do you know I'm NOT a master manipulator

 

[woops]

No this is a fallacy, people who are very good at it do it so naturally they couldn't explicate it, and often don't have incentive to (it only makes other players stronger)

That said—how do you know I'm NOT a master manipulator

I met you and you didn't make me do any stuff

 

[sus]

I met you and you didn't make me do any stuff

That's just part of my long con. Any manipulator who comes off as a manipulator is playing a short-term game, because people trust him less. A master manipulator establishes a reputation as honest and without agenda. This allows him to work his most insidious magic down the road.

 

[sus]

A master manipulator behaves identically to how a "good person" behaves, because a "good person" gets what they want from people far more than someone who is shady, untrustworthy, etc

 

[woops]

A master manipulator behaves identically to how a "good person" behaves, because a "good person" gets what they want from people far more than someone who is shady, untrustworthy, etc

You're converging on my a point where there's no difference between a 'master manipulator' and a. Good person

 

[Leo]

and a master manipulator spelling out all of this detail to his current and future targets is also part of the ingenious 3D chess move.

 

[sus]

You're converging on my a point where there's no difference between a 'master manipulator' and a. Good person

Did you say that somewhere? Where!

 

[woops]

Did you say that somewhere? Where!

no i didn't i just allowed the word 'my' to somehow appear in my sentence @woops

 

[sus]

@luka has no repartee for my argument

He is rendered speechless

 

[sus]

@craner should read my book don't you think Luka, it would be his sorta thing, very non fiction y and dull/dry, basically a collage of facts pulled from wikipedia

 

[sus]

Climanic should have a text to speech program read him the entire book while he toils in the landscape

 

[toko]

Nobody should read this, unless they are feeling masochistic, but nevertheless, I am in the mood to talk about it, because I am just so glad it is done, and I never have to think about it again

i read the entire thing and i enjoyed it. I really liked the chapter(s) on fetishization, As you say, there is tendency to elevate the surrogate to an "end" itself. Something like "code is law" would be an example of this kind of fetishization in which the "letter" is identified with the spirit because it is more computable/tractable and transparent. "Texutalist" views which emphasize the letter of rule/law are right about its advantages such as transparency, scalability (in terms of being able to apply and appear neutral to wide groups of disparate people) but it's important not to fetishize the "letter" of the law

 

[woops]

lets do a book trade gus when my novel is reprinted i'll swap you

 

[sus]

i read the entire thing and i enjoyed it. I really liked the chapter(s) on fetishization, As you say, there is tendency to elevate the surrogate to an "end" itself. Something like "code is law" would be an example of this kind of fetishization in which the "letter" is identified with the spirit because it is more computable/tractable and transparent. "Texutalist" views which emphasize the letter of rule/law are right about its advantages such as transparency, scalability (in terms of being able to apply and appear neutral to wide groups of disparate people) but it's important not to fetishize the "letter" of the law

I hope you didn't actually read the whole thing!

 

[sus]

That would be a very poor life decision id be worried about you Toko

 

[toko]

I hope you didn't actually read the whole thing!

i unfortunately did. In my defense I was at the airport