Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

[padraig (u.s.)]

The major problem w a two-state solution, which gets worse every year, is as has been mentioned the settlers

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

lets also remember that we're expecting international coordination to the climate crisis. where is this going to come from if not International institutions which apparently don't mean anything.

It won't come from anywhere bud we're just fucked

Welcome to the desert of the real

 

[vimothy]

intra-state coordination--aka International law--is a prerequisite to solving any truly global scale crisis

 

[vimothy]

intra-state coordination--aka International law--is a prerequisite to any truly global scale crisis

It won't come from anywhere bud we're just fucked

Welcome to the desert of the real

you're just opting out ex ante of a any kind of possible solution. we can build institutions, we have too.

 

[Mr. Tea]

but clearly they do. why havent they pushed gaza into the sea. its precisely bc its unjustifiable. it's *why* there's no resolution to the confilct with hamas.

Possibly they think that would be the one thing that would finally trigger the US into abandoning them. Or it's the fear of a popular uprising among their own people. Either way, it's not for fear of other countries thinking badly of them, since many countries, including the entire Muslim world, do that already.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

you're just opting out ex ante of a any kind of possible solution. we can build institutions, we have too.

No you're right I'll stop what I'm doing and reorder the world economy to construct an unprecedented international solution to climate change

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

But seriously I'm not saying don't try

Of course try

I'm just saying it won't happen

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

Which is basically the same as Isr/Pal

Ofc try

It's just very unlikely to happen

Tho imo more likely than an intl solution to climate change

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

intra-state coordination--aka International law--is a prerequisite to solving any truly global scale crisis

Name a single occasion in which a truly global crisis has been solved by international law

 

[vimothy]

But seriously I'm not saying don't try

Of course try

I'm just saying it won't happen

I don't see how you can object to what israel is doing, then. it's every state for itself, might makes right. why shouldnt israel take whatever steps it thinks are necessary.

 

[vimothy]

Name a single occasion in which a truly global crisis has been solved by international law

why is this the criterea?

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

I don't see how you can object to what israel is doing, then. it's every state for itself, might makes right. why shouldnt israel take whatever steps it thinks are necessary.

You're confusing a description of reality with a seal of approval

 

[vimothy]

any crisis is necessarily one in which international law cannot be the solution

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

why is this the criterea?

It's your criteria. Literally a direct quote from you.

 

[vimothy]

otherwise it wouldnt be a crisis

 

[vimothy]

It's your criteria. Literally a direct quote from you.

which was?

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

any crisis is necessarily one in which international law cannot be the solution

intra-state coordination--aka International law--is a prerequisite to solving any truly global scale crisis

reconcile these two statements

 

[vimothy]

You're confusing a description of reality with a seal of approval

ok, so what do you want to see happen, wrt the international community?

 

[vimothy]

reconcile these two statements

crises are those things outside of the playbook

 

[vimothy]

where international institutions fail, there's a crisis. atm, that includes the climate. it doesn't have to be this way.