Russia Surrounded
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That net zero will eventually mean not eating and no industry.
That the west's finances are backed by more and more nothing every day.
That America is not adequately underwriting its security in the East or in the Middle East
To name a few.
vimothy
yurp
this article has some mind-boggling details when you consider that, one the one hand, obama maintained that ukraine wasn't a "core interest" of the US, couldn't expect a security guarantee but could expect domination by russia, but on the other, the CIA was at the same time training and funding the Ukrainian secret services with the specific goal of confronting Russia (albeit as far as the CIA was concerned, non-violently). https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html
yeah I think (although its hard totell at the moment) Europe will reconstitute itself through a de-anglicised EU. I don't think russia's trajectory is anywhere near economic powerhouse. It's much more of a foil than China, which actually does the chance come 2050, of either being on a par with, or surpassing american hegemon.
The left/right stuff is irrelevant.
his majesty's government is right that Britain is going to shit, though, unless, that is, it rejoins the EU after the constitutional crisis after long KKK-Kesh Stronger, assuming there is the labour majority. We shall see how GE24 turns out. A lib-lab majority would be more stable, at any rate.
germaphobian
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Carroll Quigley had this theory that strenght of empires eventually moves from centre to periphery where it has more vital resources to draw upon, so the periphery becomes the new centre.
I remember couple of years ago someone sent me document with US State Department projections for future of Europe or something like that, where it was already noted that US will withdraw from European affairs and leave it on its own devices, more or less. So that's not exactly a new development.
And it also said that Germany is a declining power with not much relevance for the future and that new centre of Europe - with which America will maintain close ties - will be Poland. Ok, I thought that it's a meme, since Poland has had all sorts of disastrous hiccups all through its history, but at this point, of course, it starts to make a lot of sense (also interesting to note that it was the first foreign country Trump visited).
So let's see how that pans out. It sorts of sounds funny at this point, but Polish economy is projected to overtake UK's by 2030 and Germany's soon after.
Also you should consider the character of peoples themselves; Germany is a country of hippy pensioners and utter dorks - people still have some historic movies playing in their head about the crazy kraut conquerors or whatever, but that's gone not to return. So that idea that Germany will make some pact with Russia and lord over Europe - that wouldn't happen even if they could pull if off. They pretty much Saint Francis of Assisi among nations - laying down and waiting for death.
But even if you do look at some of the old Western European countries to take a lead then France is in much stronger position than Germany in every sense.
Anyway, point being that security architecture that centres in Poland (most likely in possession of nuclear arms) including Baltics and Nordic countries (with Finland also possibly having nukes) with some backing from US would be much better setup than the comatose NATO lead by all the old museum countries.
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I remember couple of years ago someone sent me document with US State Department projections for future of Europe or something like that, where it was already noted that US will withdraw from European affairs and leave it on its own devices, more or less. So that's not exactly a new development.
And it also said that Germany is a declining power with not much relevance for the future and that new centre of Europe - with which America will maintain close ties - will be Poland. Ok, I thought that it's a meme, since Poland has had all sorts of disastrous hiccups all through its history, but at this point, of course, it starts to make a lot of sense (also interesting to note that it was the first foreign country Trump visited).
So let's see how that pans out. It sorts of sounds funny at this point, but Polish economy is projected to overtake UK's by 2030 and Germany's soon after.
Also you should consider the character of peoples themselves; Germany is a country of hippy pensioners and utter dorks - people still have some historic movies playing in their head about the crazy kraut conquerors or whatever, but that's gone not to return. So that idea that Germany will make some pact with Russia and lord over Europe - that wouldn't happen even if they could pull if off. They pretty much Saint Francis of Assisi among nations - laying down and waiting for death.
But even if you do look at some of the old Western European countries to take a lead then France is in much stronger position than Germany in every sense.
Anyway, point being that security architecture that centres in Poland (most likely in possession of nuclear arms) including Baltics and Nordic countries (with Finland also possibly having nukes) with some backing from US would be much better setup than the comatose NATO lead by all the old museum countries.
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Britain will be fine on the sole provision it resolves its constitutional crisis. If it doesn't, then, well...
if the constitutional crisis is resolved and there's a readmission to EU, then its a no pain no gain sort of situation.
Although like i said in the post above, this depends also on how the liberals fare in the upcoming election. It might be that a labour majority will accelerate te crisis much faster than the lib-lab coalition.
if the constitutional crisis is resolved and there's a readmission to EU, then its a no pain no gain sort of situation.
Although like i said in the post above, this depends also on how the liberals fare in the upcoming election. It might be that a labour majority will accelerate te crisis much faster than the lib-lab coalition.
Germany is so very good at making things, better than anybody except maybe the Japanese. Or at least was for as long as its industrial centres had cheap natural gas (and nuclear) on hand. That talent will emerge if solely economic forces are allowed to play out, which they would be under a Russian security umbrella.
Russia has played with gloves on in Ukraine. Kiev could have been flattened, obviously.
Russia has played with gloves on in Ukraine. Kiev could have been flattened, obviously.
Good point about Poland though. That is a massive fly in the Russo-German ointment, especially given the recent globalist swing with Tusks appointment.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
I have to hand it to you, third - you're surely the only person in existence who could make the electoral performance of the Liberal Democrats into an issue of geopolitical concern.
Dude, ask a fucking Ukrainian. They don't want to give away their country.
And also, we're already at war with Russia. It's just playing out on hybrid and proxy fronts, where we're arguably losing. It won't stop until Russia experiences a substantial defeat which leads to some kind of change of regime in the Kremlin. Putin's death might precipitate it, possibly. We could win via in Ukraine if we'd back them properly.
Just remember how many times "oh noes, WW3" has been deployed as a bluff so far.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
JFC - I'm having a Padraig moment, you can't argue with this level of cretinous.
I would disagree. I suspect it does without Western support for Ukraine.
vimothy
yurp
I'm not sure whether you're reading that comment correctly. you think europe can supply ukraine on it's own, without the us?
vimothy
yurp
there are a number of issues here. the first is that, ukraine as a country is really being constituted by this war, it doesnt exist outside of it. so the war is on some level the birth pangs of ukraine, and that isnt going to go away, irrespective of the outcome. the second issue is that it doesnt matter from a russian POV, they are always going to have this commitment to sevastopol and the Crimea, and to the existing gas pipelines that transit through ukraine. so an independent ukraine will always be a problem for russia and that's a geopolitical reality which we will all have to deal with going forward, irrespective, again, of the outcome of the war.