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Ye-ah, and? What does apocalypse mean to Hindus?
We Are All Willing On The Catastrophe
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Ye-ah, and? What does apocalypse mean to Hindus?
I don't personally know but a quick search says that the fourth and final stage is known as Kali Yuga and that:
That sounds pretty catastrophic to me (... and not unlike the present day.)
vimothy
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so maybe theres a group of ppl for whom trump represents the chance of doing something different, ignored blue-collar types in the US. but then there's maybe also a group of ppl for whom trump represents something more destructive. it isn't really a political choice as such it's something at a level below that. this could be like the politics of school shooters. this tendency, where does it come from? not from people, according to you -- but where?
It's still some sort of destruction or dismantling of the world though, isn't it? There are things which happen afterward but they all seem to feature a point at which it all comes crashing down so this idea of a collapse and complete reset must fulfill a role for people around the world.
pattycakes_
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Throw social media in there and its spot on
padraig (u.s.)
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isn't that a tautology tho - terrible things happen therefore there must be some drive to commit terrible acts
not that I think it's entirely untrue but it's more of a belief than something that can be proven
I also don't see how it can be divorced from historical context, and the material (and cultural etc) reasons things happen
civilization has always featured totalitarianism, revolutionary violence, and terrible war crimes, altho people wouldn't necessarily have recognized them in the same way we do
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
I think one could say something about humans, or some of them, always rebelling against boredom once their material needs have been taken care of
that there is some drive for excitement, for the new, different, strange (perhaps as part of the yearning for deeper meaning, tho that gets pretty far out on a theorizing limb)
thinking of the Scandinavian iteration of black metal - about as close to nihilism for nihilism's sake as one can get
young men from possibly the most stable, highest living standard pocket of the entire planet, rebelling against that very placid stability
there are some truly crazy quotes from Euronymous (the dude Varg murdered) about his love of communist Albania, as a kind of bizarro world mirror of his own homeland
that there is some drive for excitement, for the new, different, strange (perhaps as part of the yearning for deeper meaning, tho that gets pretty far out on a theorizing limb)
thinking of the Scandinavian iteration of black metal - about as close to nihilism for nihilism's sake as one can get
young men from possibly the most stable, highest living standard pocket of the entire planet, rebelling against that very placid stability
there are some truly crazy quotes from Euronymous (the dude Varg murdered) about his love of communist Albania, as a kind of bizarro world mirror of his own homeland
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
like I said, I don't think it's untrue
but how can you separate them from context
Caesar did terrible things conquering Gaul? did he and his men do those things because they desired to, or as means to an end?
you could say both, but I don't see how you can extrapolate it to a civilization-wide death drive, or it seems very tenuous
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
you know how the world work - there is no grand master plan. things happen, and people react to them, to their circumstances.
people do terrible things, for example, in war, largely because they can and/or they have to.
people do terrible things, for example, in war, largely because they can and/or they have to.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
from poverty, humiliation, oppression?
I mean, those seem like more obvious and likely reasons than an unconscious collective death drive
vimothy
yurp
idk what you mean by civilisation-wide death drive. in certain contexts people obviously exult in murder and destruction (eg mass murder, war crimes, etc). is that something which appears from nowhere or is it part of our make up as people?
vimothy
yurp
why should poverty give rise to violence?
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
fascism - in Germany tbc - arose in large part from the harsh conditions imposed by the Allies after WWI
Islamism is undoubtedly closely tied to the subjection of large swathes of the Muslim world by the West for the last century plus
Islamism is undoubtedly closely tied to the subjection of large swathes of the Muslim world by the West for the last century plus
vimothy
yurp
evidently, but *why*?
vimothy
yurp
why should a particular set of circumstances give rise to fascism as opposed to somehting else?
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
because desperate people are vastly more likely to resort to violence to survive
100% not saying poor people are more inherently violent or something crazy like that. I'm talking about material circumstances.
not sure how this point can be argued against. what neighborhoods have more violent crime? where do large-scale guerrilla movements form (i.e. not the Global North)?