The Uyghurs
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Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Hey, I was on the verge of making you a nice Ian Paisley meme with that line about "problem tribes" - don't make me regret not doing it!
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
Russian intel actors seem to exert influence in almost every region of the ideological fabric of the US, fanning the flames of the culture war with rhetoric bots, etc.
That and the idea of them. I suppose that would fall under their influence though.
Clinamenic
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Again here I am stating what is presented as an established opinion in the US intel community. Interviews with former CIA and DNI heads, etc.
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
Sorry, the idea of what?
luka
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Yes they do they have the special lifestyle of being Muslim
The idea of Russian intel actors. You don't need an actual bot or bad actor to sow discord. You just need people to suspect the presence of one.
Don't I'm watching Blair & Brown: The New Labour Revolution in another window and weeping at Tony's genius in sorting it all out.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
And yet Muslims have jobs and pay taxes and buy stuff in capitalist Britain just like everyone else. That's not a different lifestyle like travellers/Roma.
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
But its also a perfectly feasible tactic, and one that we (the US) don't seem equipped for, for it would seem to require the moderation of information online.
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
But I would also say that the notion of there being a hostile third party that is deliberately radicalizing you, whichever side you're on, would seem to ameliorate your radicalization, to let you see through it. That is, I don't think the notion of there being Russian rhetoric bots is a notion that would itself fuel further discord, actually I think it would calm things somewhat, by making the adversity seem somewhat artificial.
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
Tony, from China
- nice to meet you Tony, from China
The Uyghurs, how do you say that?
- Uh-grrrrs
Yes the Uhgrrrs, what about it?
- nothing Tony, from China, we were just confused
- nice to meet you Tony, from China
The Uyghurs, how do you say that?
- Uh-grrrrs
Yes the Uhgrrrs, what about it?
- nothing Tony, from China, we were just confused
That's in Britain though and there's still a lot of Islamophobia here, both from the public and from the state. The state's opposition to Sharia will undoubtedly be stronger in China.
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
I mean, re: Russian intel actors, I am getting all my information from establishment sources (Cipher Brief, CSIS, FPRI, Brookings Institution), and just running this information through my own working gauntlet of what makes sense, what is feasible, etc.
So sure I'm bound to inherit hegemonic spins, but I see all information as transient, in a way. One's interpretation can always be more informed, and the situation is always changing.
So sure I'm bound to inherit hegemonic spins, but I see all information as transient, in a way. One's interpretation can always be more informed, and the situation is always changing.
I'm not arguing against the existence of Russian intel actors, I'm saying that the idea of them alone is enough to achieve some of their alleged aims. You can tear an organisation apart if you convince them there's a mole in their midst, whether there actually is or not.
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
That is, it makes sense to me that Russian Intel actors would mobilize a brigade of bot accounts and human-driven fake accounts, in the interest of compromising the social integrity of a rival nation. To me, it makes sense strategically and it seems feasible tactically.