No, let them drown is not a *literally* common attitude, I agree. However attitudes like: 'I'm pro-refugee, just not layabouts' 'these people come to our country and don't integrate into British values' 'the vietnamese were proper refugees, afghans just benefit from taxpayers money' are more common. and the most common of them is of course: 'this country needs to look after its own first' ignoring that refugees are a tiny, tiny amount relative to other countries. So in that sense, it is not inconceivable to see let them drown as being a figurative attitude.
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No, let them drown is not a *literally* common attitude, I agree. However attitudes like: 'I'm pro-refugee, just not layabouts' 'these people come to our country and don't integrate into British values' 'the vietnamese were proper refugees, afghans just benefit from taxpayers money' are more common. and the most common of them is of course: 'this country needs to look after its own first' ignoring that refugees are a tiny, tiny amount relative to other countries. So in that sense, it is not inconceivable to see let them drown as being a figurative attitude.
sufi
lala
i was down the covid test centre a couple of weeks ago, in the car park behind McDs
everyone loves the nhs and clap hands and all that, but just wait til they stop testing for 30 minutes for a deep clean - how quick those lovely appreciative brits turn to nasty threatening over-privileged arseholes when they are told to wait 15 minutes for their precious appointment by a light brown coloured person
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Well we all know that people who say "we should look after our own poor first" are the sorts who cross the road so they don't have to walk past a beggar.
Leo
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Is Clappedout a Tory? I bet he is? Anyway, I'm sure we are all pleased to see that he has successfully sued some thieving German woman who was selling a bootleg CD of his on ebay. Luckily he left the deputy alive to go and collect the two and a half grand she has to cough up - that will teach her that crime doesn't pay eh!
Eric Clapton wins legal case against woman selling bootleg live CD for £8.45
Rock star wins case against German woman who says her late husband bought the disc at a popular department store in the 80swww.theguardian.com
saw a tweet today: "if Eric Clapton and ted nugent were drowning and you could only save one of them, where would you go for coffee with Neil Young?"
shakahislop
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i'm not exactly jumping to defend her in particular or any of the tory party machine, just more mentioning this because it's interesting. but on a human level it must feel incredibly unfair to her to face what is probably a pretty big career setback over something which, as an action, is so minor, so unlucky to have it recorded, and obviously she must know that she is collateral damage in a bigger game.
i don't think you get to those kinds of very senior positions without making some big sacrifices and it must be rough to be in a business where this kind of thing can totally fuck you. because for a moment you, your body, even your name in fact, become part of the world of signs and symbols that is how the relationship between the government and the people is mediated in the uk at the moment.
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Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
That's fair enough, but I think it's understandable that people are revelling in it, because finally one of these cunts has had some kind of reckoning for their continual, egregious, do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do pisstakery, even if she's basically insignificant in the scheme of things and the others will consider the necessary sacrifice to have been made and carry on as before.
luka
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i would go along with this if mud stuck but it doesnt. they just have to sit in the naughty chair for a year then they're back in the cabinet.
Leo
Well-known member
there's this weird situation today where we have both cancel culture and the golden age of second acts/comebacks.
there are plenty of politicians, businesspeople, actors, etc. who fell from grace but end up re-entering society after a relatively short period of penance. I mean, Bill freakin' Clinton has sex with an intern in the White House, lies about it before congress, gets impeached...and reemerges (temporarily, anyway) as a popular and influential leader of the Democratic Party (until he wasn't).
And not even penance, all it takes is laying low out of the media spotlight for awhile seems to be enough. F. Scott Fitzgerald be damned.
IdleRich
IdleRich
No mention of Lord Frost's resignation? Ostensibly he is leaving cos he disagrees with Covid policy or something but I can't be the only one who thinks that in actual fact it may be cos in January the UK will finally implement the final part of the incredibly shit brexit deal that he drew up and goods coming into the country will be subject to checks and taxes and the inevitable delays that will come with that. The obvious guess is that he just doesn't want to be there to get the blame when it all goes tits up, as it almost certainly will.
The whole episode - saga even, it's dragged on far too long to be an episode - with this deal is one of the strangest bits of politics I can remember. First* Johnson claims to have an "oven ready" Brexit deal, drawn up by Frosty, which is perfect and the Tories campaign on this and win the election. They then force the deal through parliament, denying MPs any time to study it or really even to read it properly. They simply use their majority to insist that the country does the deal with the EU, which it duly does.... and since then the main cheerleaders for the deal have all made an extraordinary volte face. Ian Duncan Smith who insisted that it need not be debated, who stood up in parliament and demanded that it be passed as quickly as possible without any delay, is now claiming that the EU have somehow trapped us in small print and details that we didn't understand. Frost who drew it up and Johnson who won an election on the basis that the deal was perfect and that it would be fully implemented are now insisting that the EU somehow tricked us into signing such a bad deal and that they are now acting in bad faith by not allowing us to disregard parts of it we have decided we no longer like. Completely insane.
In fact it was around this moment when I realised that politics had totally separated from reality... the Brexit deal had been written by Johnson and Frost and they had forced it upon the country... and then the two of them could repeatedly criticise the deal and the circumstances of its signing, they could cry foul at being held to their deal and they could blame the EU for all of this AND PEOPLE AGREED WITH THEM!
The idea that someone could completely change direction to the extent that they could claim that what they had sworn yesterday was great was in fact terrible, could say that what they insisted yesterday everyone must do they had actually been forced into and should never have done... and not lose supporters, in fact that their supporters would happily stand up for and parrot their utter nonsense, this was new to me.
Of course I understand that in general we've long been in a situation where people just pick their side and cheer for them right or wrong, but I'd never seen this before. I had never seen people switch by one hundred and eighty degrees and pretend it had never happened and half the country agree to pretend with them. I felt embarrassed by this degrading charade, the ease with which so many people were prepared to throw away their integrity and any pretence of honesty.
*Actually that's not first at all of course, there was the whole thing of May's mooted deal which Johnson criticised and in fact used to prise her out of power as PM before drawing up a deal that was almost exactly the same but slightly worse and pretending it was the solution.
The whole episode - saga even, it's dragged on far too long to be an episode - with this deal is one of the strangest bits of politics I can remember. First* Johnson claims to have an "oven ready" Brexit deal, drawn up by Frosty, which is perfect and the Tories campaign on this and win the election. They then force the deal through parliament, denying MPs any time to study it or really even to read it properly. They simply use their majority to insist that the country does the deal with the EU, which it duly does.... and since then the main cheerleaders for the deal have all made an extraordinary volte face. Ian Duncan Smith who insisted that it need not be debated, who stood up in parliament and demanded that it be passed as quickly as possible without any delay, is now claiming that the EU have somehow trapped us in small print and details that we didn't understand. Frost who drew it up and Johnson who won an election on the basis that the deal was perfect and that it would be fully implemented are now insisting that the EU somehow tricked us into signing such a bad deal and that they are now acting in bad faith by not allowing us to disregard parts of it we have decided we no longer like. Completely insane.
In fact it was around this moment when I realised that politics had totally separated from reality... the Brexit deal had been written by Johnson and Frost and they had forced it upon the country... and then the two of them could repeatedly criticise the deal and the circumstances of its signing, they could cry foul at being held to their deal and they could blame the EU for all of this AND PEOPLE AGREED WITH THEM!
The idea that someone could completely change direction to the extent that they could claim that what they had sworn yesterday was great was in fact terrible, could say that what they insisted yesterday everyone must do they had actually been forced into and should never have done... and not lose supporters, in fact that their supporters would happily stand up for and parrot their utter nonsense, this was new to me.
Of course I understand that in general we've long been in a situation where people just pick their side and cheer for them right or wrong, but I'd never seen this before. I had never seen people switch by one hundred and eighty degrees and pretend it had never happened and half the country agree to pretend with them. I felt embarrassed by this degrading charade, the ease with which so many people were prepared to throw away their integrity and any pretence of honesty.
*Actually that's not first at all of course, there was the whole thing of May's mooted deal which Johnson criticised and in fact used to prise her out of power as PM before drawing up a deal that was almost exactly the same but slightly worse and pretending it was the solution.
william_kent
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I'm sad that people don't realise that Brexit is just an eton playground squabble that has fucked us over, royally
IdleRich
IdleRich
Or in short, I found it astonishing that someone could do as Frost did and stand up and complain so vociferously as he did about his own work and not be immediately laughed out of his job, forced to resign in total shame. That he could stay for so long, for months even, releasing statement after statement slating the EU for insisting that we stick to the deal we drew up and signed was completely mindboggling. This Tory government has introduced some of the most hilariously bad MPs in living memory... culture secretary Nadine Dories revealing that she didn't know how Channel Four was funded, Failing Grayling and his actions costing us a million per minute (or whatever it was) during the time he held a cabinet role, Boris and his constant lying, Raab and Hancock and that fucking moron Truss and so on and so forth, but the whole Frost deal thing and the disgraceful lies they repeatedly told about it is one of the most shameful and shameless events over which this disgusting and pathetic excuse for a government has presided.
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IdleRich
IdleRich
Also, it should be noted that if we do believe that the lying scumbag is in fact telling the truth for once and that he is leaving his post overseeing Brexit at this crucial moment purely cos he disagrees with the government on some other, totally unrelated, issue, then that is an unbelievably irresponsible dereliction of duty. Whichever way you slice it this is yet another new low from an incredibly duplicitous, incompetent and revolting excuse for a human being.
Along with Lord Archer and Lord Black (off the top of my head) he is yet more proof, if any were needed, that this system of honours in which people are given titles which mean ultimately that they are essentially literally better people than the rest of us, is total and utter bollocks. These so-called nobles are actually hideous liars and criminals who I can quite confidently state are in their very essence much worse than the average man or woman on the street. These people truly disgust me.
Along with Lord Archer and Lord Black (off the top of my head) he is yet more proof, if any were needed, that this system of honours in which people are given titles which mean ultimately that they are essentially literally better people than the rest of us, is total and utter bollocks. These so-called nobles are actually hideous liars and criminals who I can quite confidently state are in their very essence much worse than the average man or woman on the street. These people truly disgust me.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
It's very difficult to compile a Best Of, or rather Worst Of, list of failures and embarrassments, since as you point out the list of candidate moments is just so huge. However, if push came to shove, I'd have to insist on including Failing Grayling awarding a contract to a "ferry" company that owned no ferries and appeared to have copied its legal terms and conditions from a pizza delivery company, and Gavin Williamson's devastating threat to Russia following the Skripal poisoning, or rather a petulant request that Russia "go away and shut up."
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Apparently genuine:
Nadine Dorries removed from Tory MPs Brexit Whatsapp group for backing PM
Steve Baker former chair pro-Brexit European Research Group, expressed relief with a thumbs up Memoji, after booting the Culture Secretary from the chat
www.mirror.co.uk
IdleRich
IdleRich
I thought that that was a parody of the Handforth Parish Council or whatever it was at first.
But yeah Grayling is obviously a great candidate. It is true that someone once calculated the cost of all his policy errors and added them up and it meant that it would have been cheaper to pay him billions of pounds each year to leave the cabinet and just stop damaging the economy. So i think in terms of idiotic financial decisions he is the worst of all time.
But he lacks the evil and spite that Dorries and IDS say throw into the mix. I'm sure you've seen the video where Dorries talks about cutting off Channel 4's funding cos the news reports the truth about how shit they are. For our American friends, this woman is in charge of culture in the uk. That means she is responsible for the rules covering tv channels and newspapers amongst other things. This exchange reveals that she doesn't know the most rudimentary basics of her job, it's like the chancellor of the exchequer publicly discovering that we haven't joined the Euro or something similar.
I also liked it when she described James O'Brien as "a public school thickie" - of course she is correct in saying that he went to a public school, she should know it's the same one she pays for her daughter to attend...
And I do tihnk that Frosty the No-man has demonstrated a special kind of brassneck in consistently moaning for months on end about the shortcomings of the deal that he himself drew up and repeatedly blaming the EU for the problems it caused.
But yeah Grayling is obviously a great candidate. It is true that someone once calculated the cost of all his policy errors and added them up and it meant that it would have been cheaper to pay him billions of pounds each year to leave the cabinet and just stop damaging the economy. So i think in terms of idiotic financial decisions he is the worst of all time.
But he lacks the evil and spite that Dorries and IDS say throw into the mix. I'm sure you've seen the video where Dorries talks about cutting off Channel 4's funding cos the news reports the truth about how shit they are. For our American friends, this woman is in charge of culture in the uk. That means she is responsible for the rules covering tv channels and newspapers amongst other things. This exchange reveals that she doesn't know the most rudimentary basics of her job, it's like the chancellor of the exchequer publicly discovering that we haven't joined the Euro or something similar.
I also liked it when she described James O'Brien as "a public school thickie" - of course she is correct in saying that he went to a public school, she should know it's the same one she pays for her daughter to attend...
And I do tihnk that Frosty the No-man has demonstrated a special kind of brassneck in consistently moaning for months on end about the shortcomings of the deal that he himself drew up and repeatedly blaming the EU for the problems it caused.
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The Spectator have turned on Boris recently and their political editor's close friends with Sunak and married to Allegra Stratton.