thirdform

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There was a period where I graduated from being a standard music nerd who hated pop music and venerated strictly "deep" music and probably thought rap music peaked in 1994 and had been shit ever since to a music nerd who loved pop music and modern rap music and turned against all the producers I'd formerly worshipped.

Was this my escape from the middlebrow?

Or just being brainwashed?

Dissensus is responsible.

It's being undialectical. you should have took the good parts of pop and the good parts of undie (no not anticon...) and fused them into avant yobnik mk corpse.
 

thirdform

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I don't think so. Not as a rule. The whole point is they're too stupid to realise its middlebrow. That's why we sneer at them

they aren't stupid, they have a financial interest in defending the middlebrow. most high proper artists have been non-conformist in some form and hence appealed to aristocratic nostalgics and working class self-taught intellectuals alike.

the middlebrow artist is truly bourgeois. I don't mean culturally, I mean financially and artistically. truly a business artist, truly vulgar and uncouth. metalheadz, el-b etc are liminal, just like post-punk. they sit between the lowbrow and the middlebrow. but they aren't middlebrow. that would more be like high contrast and hospital productions.

Fantastic MR Fox would be a good modern example, as would all that phuture garage malarky.
 
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Corpsey

bandz ahoy
This isn't the place for a detailed breakdown of all the problems with Interstellar. They're glaringly obvious really - the whole plot being ridiculous, characters making cringe worthy speeches about the power of love, Michael Caine reciting Dylan Thomas etc. It's a sort of sentimentalist 2001.

But all the space stuff really gets me. It somehow really puts across the horrific size and indifference of space.

I've watched it probably six or seven times and every time there's bits that make me want to puke or smash the TV.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
What makes it middlebrow is that it's straining to be highbrow. Same goes for Dunkirk. It could be what it wanted to be but Nolan can't resist the corn.
 

thirdform

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the middlebrow artist will never sell themselves as lumpen futuristic but as thoughtful. they won't sell themselves like Source Direct, cold, dispassionate sciencey people.

more like Floating Points.
 

thirdform

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Circle were middlebrow. beatport house sold to people as being exclusive when it was anything but. middle brow is an investment in a false cultural cachet. the real house heads never use beatport anyway, unless for old classic stuff. more like rush hour, clone.nl and dnr vinyl. The real elitist heads wouldn't be listening to 2006 Denis Ferrer in 2006 anyway! more like 1994!
 
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thirdform

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I heard some of Floating Points' new album the other day. It's terrible. Completely hollow.


listening now. this wouldn't have come out on raster noton in 2001, let alone 2019.

Is it ok to admit I sort of like his mate that Fatima girl? She has an appealing voice just needs to sing over better beats.
 

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Well-known member
I remember hearing her on some Eglo livestream in like 2010 and thinking her voice was alright, but not enough to go out of my way to listen to her. The Eglo stuff as a whole strikes me as very Gilles Peterson.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Beneath to me was the middlebrow extrapolation of UK funky. Perhaps because when I read about him he was framed as a sort of improvement on UK funky, because he was dark and moody and had all the signifiers of depth and seriousness in his music.

I wouldn't look down on people who like his tunes but I look down on the idea that his music was more clever and better than Crazy Cousinz. Which perhaps was only a minority opinion that I encountered in an article.

Simon was reacting against that sort of opinion in Energy Flash of course and that book changed my perception of some music forever, for better or worse.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
What makes it middlebrow is that it's straining to be highbrow. Same goes for Dunkirk. It could be what it wanted to be but Nolan can't resist the corn.

Also because it's SELLING ITSELF as highbrow. Not just another blockbuster, this one's got BRAINS.

Except it isn't actually as clever as all that. And often it's STUPID.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Etymology Edit
A bahuvrihi compound of low +‎ brow, Americanism, circa 1902. Refers to the (by that time discredited) pseudoscience of phrenology, which suggested that a person of low intelligence and sophistication would possess a lower brow-line than someone of greater intelligence and sophistication.

Used colloquially as a noun or adjective, "highbrow" is synonymous with intellectual; as an adjective, it also means elite, and generally carries a connotation of high culture. The word draws its metonymy from the pseudoscience of phrenology, and was originally simply a physical descriptor
 

thirdform

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Beneath to me was the middlebrow extrapolation of UK funky. Perhaps because when I read about him he was framed as a sort of improvement on UK funky, because he was dark and moody and had all the signifiers of depth and seriousness in his music.

I wouldn't look down on people who like his tunes but I look down on the idea that his music was more clever and better than Crazy Cousinz. Which perhaps was only a minority opinion that I encountered in an article.

Simon was reacting against that sort of opinion in Energy Flash of course and that book changed my perception of some music forever, for better or worse.


yeah, again these opinions seem to be ones for the journalist aligned types. I don't think an ltj bukem or photek tune is more complex than a remarc or kemet crew one, they work on different levels of complexity or simplicity.

And of course everyone is going to sell their mates or spinning records as complex. even carl cox spinning the beatport top 100 talks about taking people on a journey. A lot of it is a sham and it's kind of a shame people get invested in these marketting gimmick debates. because like i said, it's really 32-64 bars max. Do you really think randall spinning ragga tinged hardcore-jungle in 92-93 would just totally disown it for some dubious gentrification reasons? no of course not. you need to sell yourself to play raves. if you don't, others will. And the irony of course is congo natty is some of the most gentrified brixton dnb out there.
 
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thirdform

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seriousness isn't about being intellectually smarter or whatever. it's about the serotonin burning out and dancing becoming more restrained, more composed. the conservatism i talk about is gobbling 10 pills a week and digging yourself into a grave from worshipping the hedonistic imperative. It's a prime way through organised crime has always made money off the unsuspecting punters. clubs started to disintegrate exactly when the focus changed from pills to drinks in the late 90s and bouncers became legitimate, rather than hired off a criminal firm. that's the real troubling thing about going clubbing. the person who would be letting you into an sw1 club or a club UK would be the hired man of some career criminal. it was anarcho-capitalist in the extreme.
 
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