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NHS stats: only 1,318 deaths from COVID with no comorbidities
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Mr. Tea
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...and?
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...'protect' those with comorbidities (generally old people) and leave other people to protect themselves.
Mr. Tea
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It's more than just old people though, isn't it? I've got a friend, same age as me, who has a congenital heart condition, for which she had a pacemaker fitted a few years ago. She catches this bug, she's toast, no question. What does 'protecting' her mean? She has to live in a cleanroom indefinitely?
And what about people who are "just" old? Do they have to spend their last years without seeing anyone they know? It doesn't bear thinking about.
The UK does not have an exceptionally ancient population, as developed countries go. It does have an exceptionally shitty government. I'm sick and tired of people making excuses for them. Almost everything they could have done wrong, they have done wrong.
Greece, allegedly the basket case of Europe, ended its lockdown a month ago after 150 covid-19 deaths. Scale that death rate to the UK's population and it's still only about 950. There are concrete reasons for these differences.
chava
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That's the key issue and one of the points Ferguson et al were right about. It's nearly impossible to shield the vulnerable even if you can define the group in the first place.
Of course there was that professor (now banned from Youtube) that proposed sealing off the old peoples homes (as they did in turkey I believe) INCLUDING the staff (and paying them 4xwages or whatever) for a month or two and let the virus run through the population in the meantime. Now, it is not such a bad idea, but 1) it is probably not age, but comorbidity that's the problem and 2) the virus does NOT run through the population unless you really actively help it to do so (inoculation anyone?). The k-value (dispersion value) makes it infect very locally which is evident when you see a map of infections throughout Europe. The most connected areas are hit the most, and certain hotspots that had superspreader events (Bergamo, Mulhouse etc).
I wore one at the doctor's recently and this wheezing, old bloke with a limp laughed at me then got asked to leave by the receptionist because he'd walked straight through the marked waiting point, hadn't washed his hands on the way and had come in to schedule a blood test which they've repeatedly stressed is only done over the phone at the moment as you should only come to the surgery if absolutely necessary and after calling ahead and making an appointment.
Mr. Tea
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Unfortunately that doesn't really apply to someone who's already old. But I know what you mean.
It's people who aren't really at risk in a big way but who've put at-risk people at even more risk who are the real dickheads, I feel.
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The SAGE minutes show that they are not especially keen on masks. I think their introduction is to do with this minute: "wearing masks in the context of lifting NPIs could reduce anxiety about release of measures" The government are ever keen to show the public that they are 'doing something' - not unlike the lockdown, which isn't mentioned in the SAGE minutes _at all_ prior to its sudden imposition!
Mr. Tea
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That's just what Big Science wants you to think!
luka
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It is as if some establishments, including our own, wanted a crisis and used their control of information to achieve one. And still it continues. As of tomorrow, in a symbolic moment never to be forgotten, users of trains and buses will be compelled to wear muzzles or forbidden to travel.
The legal basis for this is highly doubtful. The medical basis for it is more doubtful still. These muzzles have been described as being as much use against a microscopic virus as a chain-link fence would be against mosquitoes.
As the distinguished pathologist Dr John Lee asked, after examining the evidence for and against, ‘does any of what is out there add up to a watertight case for compelling people to wear masks in public or at work (outside a healthcare setting)? The threshold for compulsion must surely be higher than “maybe” and “perhaps.’”
I am fairly sure these measures, like the house arrest and sunbathing bans which came before, have another purpose. They accustom us to being told what to do. Stand there. Wait there. Don’t use cash. Don’t cross that line. They permanently change the relationship between the individual and the state.
The legal basis for this is highly doubtful. The medical basis for it is more doubtful still. These muzzles have been described as being as much use against a microscopic virus as a chain-link fence would be against mosquitoes.
As the distinguished pathologist Dr John Lee asked, after examining the evidence for and against, ‘does any of what is out there add up to a watertight case for compelling people to wear masks in public or at work (outside a healthcare setting)? The threshold for compulsion must surely be higher than “maybe” and “perhaps.’”
I am fairly sure these measures, like the house arrest and sunbathing bans which came before, have another purpose. They accustom us to being told what to do. Stand there. Wait there. Don’t use cash. Don’t cross that line. They permanently change the relationship between the individual and the state.
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