DannyL

Wild Horses
They'll try and sneak it through later but - I think - some of the worst bits might get dropped. Weird even with their majority they're a bit cowed.
 

john eden

male pale and stale
I suspect focus groups / public opinion have spoken. These things can transcend a majority in parliament especially with local elections coming up.

Good news though!
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
I suspect focus groups / public opinion have spoken. These things can transcend a majority in parliament especially with local elections coming up.

Good news though!
Perhaps around the Sarah Everard thing? I don't think the great British public gives a toss around erosion of rights otherwise.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Perhaps around the Sarah Everard thing?
Well that was a quite mind-bogglingly stupid bit of tone-deafness. The country is in uproar over a woman who was murdered by a copper --> "The solution to this is obviously to give coppers more powers than they have already."
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
10.30 I think? I think it'll pass though. Theresa May of all people apparently spoke strongly against it.

Yeah, she's always been the more moderate Terri. It's Villiers who is the nutcase. out to da chipping barnet massif, we're stuck with her.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
The important bits in the bill, which the racist british left are studiously ignoring will pass, because they were never the focal point of the outrage to begin with:
3 years' jail for "living nomadically without a 'Travellers passport'"; summary confiscation of Travellers' vehicles.

A million Iraq war marchers remember the dramatic rescue of their consciences by the slogan "Not in my name!", or "Until you're quite sure your war is fully legal, please remove me from the credits, guv!" Thousands of summer 2011 "rioters" will remember how "protest" that frightens the homeowners is already illegal, because of the Bloody Assizes where long kesh stoner threw them in jail for the equivalent of their age while the council sent a SWAT team round to evict their mums.

This country loves ignorance and moralism combined. A disastrous combination. Honestly if I could i'd be out of here with my geezer in an instant.
 

wild greens

Well-known member
The important bits in the bill, which the racist british left are studiously ignoring will pass, because they were never the focal point of the outrage to begin with:
3 years' jail for "living nomadically without a 'Travellers passport'"; summary confiscation of Travellers' vehicles.

A million Iraq war marchers remember the dramatic rescue of their consciences by the slogan "Not in my name!", or "Until you're quite sure your war is fully legal, please remove me from the credits, guv!" Thousands of summer 2011 "rioters" will remember how "protest" that frightens the homeowners is already illegal, because of the Bloody Assizes where long kesh stoner threw them in jail for the equivalent of their age while the council sent a SWAT team round to evict their mums.

This country loves ignorance and moralism combined. A disastrous combination. Honestly if I could i'd be out of here with my geezer in an instant.

Okay now we're talking some real shit. The racism towards traveller communities is completely accepted in this country, even down south, and people can openly talk shit about them without any recompense

Never understood it

Labour will never oppose it because Keir wants the middle ground voters and the p*key/g*po (apologies for the slurs) rhetoric is so prevalent here that it would actively cause problems for Labour if they opposed it

The country is fucked
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
Okay now we're talking some real shit. The racism towards traveller communities is completely accepted in this country, even down south, and people can openly talk shit about them without any recompense

Never understood it

Labour will never oppose it because Keir wants the middle ground voters and the p*key/g*po (apologies for the slurs) rhetoric is so prevalent here that it would actively cause problems for Labour if they opposed it

The country is fucked

yeah I mean you see even, for instance, the university educated intelligentsia mostly remaining shtum about this, because they cannot figure out if the roma are brown or white in their weird oppressed vs oppressor category, as if it ever mattered. If you took that logic to its ultimate conclusion, many Arabs, Iranians and Turks could be considered white in pigmentation.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
It's why I'm a firm believer that british ethnocentrism makes the racism in this country quite different to the US, which for all intents and purposes is more a capital W white supremacist society. But Americans don't need to be jingoist in the same way (thats not to say they aren't ruthlessly nationalistic sometimes its just different) as they are the world imperialist superpower. There will always be some form of stabbed in the back ideology in Britain. We can criticise alf garnett for not really parodying successfully but this dichotomy between rural trad anglocentrism and the americanised inner cities has always played out in UK society.
 
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