Keir Starmer
subvert47
I don't fight, I run away
They voted Leave but not by much...
Analysis: How Salford voted in the Brexit referendum | Salford Now
The three constituencies of Salford voted to leave in the Brexit referendum in 2016 and three years later the results of this snap election will decide the outcome for Britain leaving the European Union.
www.salfordnow.co.uk
subvert47
I don't fight, I run away
FFS. Being met with universal shock and anger apparently.
I like Stephen Bush 'cos he's normally level headed. Rare I've seen him this fucked off: https://www.newstatesman.com/politi...gela-rayner-self-destructive-stupid-and-wrong
I like Stephen Bush 'cos he's normally level headed. Rare I've seen him this fucked off: https://www.newstatesman.com/politi...gela-rayner-self-destructive-stupid-and-wrong
craner
Beast of Burden
Bush is full of shit. Rayner isn’t being made a scapegoat. She was blatantly overpromoted in the first place, precisely because of who she was in the most cynical sense: to give Starmer cover from the left, and supposedly appeal to female and Northern voters. She didn’t do any of that, because that’s not how reality works outside of the fictions weaved by political strategists. Also, as I mentioned, because she was useless. The cynical move was putting her in that position in the first place, not sacking her now.
Owen Jones is now claiming Starmer firing her is a deliberate attempt to scapegoat working class women.
craner
Beast of Burden
Of course he is, it’s the inverse position, but all played out in the same symbolical dream world that put her in such an elevated position in the first place. The interesting thing is, nobody has these sort of conversations about Yvette Cooper or Priti Patel.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
To what extent do you (meaning Danny or anyone else) agree with this bit:
"To be blunt, if you think these election results were primarily in the control of anyone in the Westminster Labour party, you are not a serious figure, and your political judgement is highly suspect. The list of people to have revealed themselves to be part of that tendency now includes the party’s present leader."
?
john eden
male pale and stale
Nobody is saying that.
The (incorrect) argument is that Labour did badly because it is still tainted with Corbynism. So logically the more socialists it gets rid of or disempowers, the better it will do in future elections.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
I dunno, the impression I've been getting on Twitter is that a lot of people thimk the result reflects badly on Sir Kyle himself.
john eden
male pale and stale
The contrary argument is that people want good old fashioned democractic socialism and not a valueless free floating signifier of a leader.
The first part of which is also palpably incorrect.
Sir Kieth does not have the magic button to get Labour elected any more than Corbyn had the magic button to stop Brexit.
But the buck ultimately stops with the leader.
The first part of which is also palpably incorrect.
Sir Kieth does not have the magic button to get Labour elected any more than Corbyn had the magic button to stop Brexit.
But the buck ultimately stops with the leader.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Well yeah, the idea that voters are punishing Labour for not being left-wing enough doesn't really fit with big Tory gains.
A difference there is that I would hope Starmer has more interest in winning an election that Corbyn had in stopping Brexit.
I agree with the first bit. This is what being out of power means. You can't set the agenda. If the vaccine rollout is widely seen as a policy success - 'cos it is - then I don't know what Laour can do to change that perception. I don't know if I agree with the second 'cos I've not got a clue if it was a fucked up, badly communicated reshuffle or what.