In Liz We Truss

sufi

lala
Yeah - or at least without the point where it became an article of faith that Brexit was all about some sort of absolute sovereignty and hence that any Brexit that wasn't hard as fuck wasn't worthy of the name or reflective of The Will Of The People. From then on we'd got a ruling party that essentially selected for people who were either completely disconnected from reality or didn't give a fuck about the consequences of their actions at every level from the leader to the membership, with predictable results.

Counterfactual exercise - can we imagine a world where someone had managed to build a post-referendum consensus in favour of some sort of softer Brexit? Where the whole thing had more-or-less worked with plausibly deniable downsides, the Tory party had mostly got over its internal differences and hadn't swerved to the right, and we we'd now be stuck with them in power pretty much forever? Or was the descent into madness part and parcel of any Brexit campaign that could get it over the line?
the destruction of the tories could be the only brexit benefit, the sunny dappled uplands turned to scorched earth
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
There can't not be an election now, surely? Or is every member of the cabinet now just going to get a couple of months in No. 10 before passing on the baton to the next incompetent, self-serving cunt?
 

version

Well-known member
the destruction of the tories could be the only brexit benefit, the sunny dappled uplands turned to scorched earth

. . . unless they're replaced by something worse. There are a lot of angry right wingers out there who don't feel represented.
 

shakahislop

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i don't think there's even a remote chance of the tories being destroyed and another party taking their place as one of the two parties with a chance of being the government. they'll realign internally, particularly if they have a period out of power, but the electoral system makes it pretty much impossible for either labour or the tories to lose their seat at the table.
 

shakahislop

Well-known member
There can't not be an election now, surely? Or is every member of the cabinet now just going to get a couple of months in No. 10 before passing on the baton to the next incompetent, self-serving cunt?

the tory PM would have to call it, and they would be nuts to call an election now, because they would get absolutely smashed. right now is probably the only time you could call an election in the last 12 years where labour would stand a chance of winning enough seats to form a majority government. apart from in the last month or so, when people talk about labour winning, what they mean is that a labour-SNP coalition could win.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
. . . unless they're replaced by something worse. There are a lot of angry right wingers out there who don't feel represented.
Yet a majority of the public support policies that are well to the left of what the Tories are offering or ever would offer, and probably to the left of a lot of Labour's current policies, come to that.

Support for the Tories has collapsed, true, but it's all gone to Labour. Reform or UKIP2.0 or I Can't Believe It's Not The BNP or whatever they're called now are chugging along on 2-5% of the projected popular vote.
 

version

Well-known member
Yet a majority of the public support policies that are well to the left of what the Tories are offering or ever would offer, and probably to the left of a lot of Labour's current policies, come to that.

Economically, yes.

There was some polling done recently that had the public to the left economically and to the right socially and the social trumping the economic when it came to voting Tory. That's why they're always hammering the culture war stuff. It fires people up in a way economics doesn't.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
the tory PM would have to call it, and they would be nuts to call an election now, because they would get absolutely smashed. right now is probably the only time you could call an election in the last 12 years where labour would stand a chance of winning enough seats to form a majority government. apart from in the last month or so, when people talk about labour winning, what they mean is that a labour-SNP coalition could win.
I understand, on an intellectual level, that for a general election to happen early, the current government has to call for one. I meant it more in the rhetorical sense of "How can this bunch of clowns, who clearly can't stand each other and are despised even by most of the people who voted for them three years ago, carry on like this when they clearly have no popular mandate or any real legitimacy?"
 

Leo

Well-known member
Why do I have the queasy feeling in my stomach that Boris will actually be back in charge?
 

version

Well-known member
Why do I have the queasy feeling in my stomach that Boris will actually be back in charge?

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised to see him ride back in, get a bump in the polls and the public fall for it all over again and demand we "give him a chance" because "everyone makes mistakes" and "he's only human".
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
The book is getting an awful lot of press... not sure it will save it though, despite the snappy new title - Into The Poo - I fear for their sales.
 
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