The Feminine Perspective against the Manosphere
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shakahislop
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‘sexual selection’ don't know what it is about the internet but it makes people talk about such beautiful important things in this inorganic terminology. like you're nerds observing woodlice. 'sexual selection' Jesus christ .
ghost
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The thing that's funny about this is that it's not enough to internally be free and to do things only because of one's own desires. To demonstrate internal freedom, one must also engage in certain gender performances that are countervailing. Masculinity, on the other hand, is dehumanizing, and a "truncated human expression."
Maybe these are the reasons that OP didn't get along with the other men—her sense of deep contempt for masculinity and the idea that engaging in it can be an expression of the self?
ghost
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how's it been working
0bleak
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I'm probably wrong, but it seems like shaming people for being "nerdy" when they have nvld/autism is like shaming with a physical disability for their physical disabilities.
Mr. Tea
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Well one of them already has a salt-and-pepper beard and a receding hairline, so you can see how she might not have realised he was that young.
shakahislop
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you're probably not that wrong to be honest, I have no idea really
shakahislop
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i don't really have an alternative to hand but there's probably loads. it's not particularly directed at you, it's directed at the way people write about sec and love on the internet in general. there's a weird evolutionary science perspective that loads of people come at it from and I don't like it. I think it's an American thing but I'm not sure
ghost
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mostly comes out of a harvard department that was funded mostly by Jeffrey Epstein. Sounds like a joke but isn't.
Mr. Tea
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Oh yeah, the Epstein School of Justified Noncing, I've heard of that.
malelesbian
Femboyism IS feminism.
It's not something that does or doesn't "work". It's not instrumental. You think all value is instrumental because you're possessed by patriarchal capitalist ideology. But we already knew that.
malelesbian
Femboyism IS feminism.
We don't need to talk about sexual selection to make this point. Women do sometimes support the patriarchy, but they do this in many ways other than just their choices in partners, a point I've made repeatedly. What does it mean that they sometimes contribute to a system that hides and devales their own femininity? It just means that anyone can support the patriarchy regardless of identity.
malelesbian
Femboyism IS feminism.
All the women I've talked to about it support it, agree with it and like it. But you were the one who thought popularity determines a theory's value because again you remain attached to capitalist notions of success totally unrelated to any sort of intellectual achievement.
malelesbian
Femboyism IS feminism.
Go tell it to the other Mean Girls, Reg.
malelesbian
Femboyism IS feminism.
The point is actually that the dominant masculine culture pushes everything to one side. It tells men to eliminate their femininity entirely. So men need to reengage with their femininity since they are already masculine. We need to regain touch with feminine qualities the patriarchy tells us to destroy before we can achieve balance. It's like in Hegel, we need to understand the negation before we can combine both the reality and its negation (in this case masculinity and femininity)
Mr. Tea
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It doesn't sound like you want to "combine" masculinity and femininity, though. It just sounds like you want to eliminate masculinity (because it is bad) and promote femininity (because it is good).
ghost
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malelesbian
Femboyism IS feminism.
It doesn't matter how it sounds. I know what I said. I argued that I wanted to combine masculinity and femininity in a balanced man. I never said I wanted to eliminate ANYTHING. And I repeatedly said that both masculinity and femininity involved both good and bad qualities.