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like i said, when there are exploitative undertones, (or overtones), or done in an insensitive manner, it becomes problematic, but i completely disagree with you that any sort of conscious imitation is automatically "stupid" and "patronising".
i wouldn't mind losing some of my californian accent and perhaps trying on the age old british affectation so popular in hollywood for a bit.
mistersloane
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mistersloane
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Yeah, you tend to see over 25s kinda dropping it from what I've seen, more to do with workplace I think than anything else.
I like the new race-less UK accent, I think it's great, and kinda futuristic. We talked about this on some thread ages ago but I can't find it now.
Tsingtao was a brewry started by Germans and it is a German beer.
mistersloane
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I've always wanted to talk like that as well, I think it would be really shocking if non-white people suddenly started doing that, as well as being hilarious and kinda suave.
Tentative Andy
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You're not missing much, etc etc. Oh ho ho.
But yeah, it's kind of an odd one right enough, no idea where it came from originally. Heard people shortening it to 'bud' or 'buds' quite often too (I don't do that though - not working-class enough
).Edit: have I just made Invernesians into an exotic Other. I sure hope so!
mistersloane
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yeah but it's been in China since 1903!
but of course still a cultural import.
mistersloane
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British actually, didn't know that.
http://thechinabeat.blogspot.com/2009/06/tsingtao-beer-complex-brew.html
That’s the point though. Identities are enacted socially. They don’t all just happen in a big void. Me objecting to someone aping another pattern of speech for reasons of coolness is part of this…. If you’re in favour of miscegenation, then some respect for other cultures surely is part of this – acknowledging and recognising their boundaries and point of differences even as they change and mutate - otherwise it all just becomes a big soup where everything is the same. Or are you saying a rich white guy speaking patois is exactly the same as a poor black guy speaking the same? That’s ignoring the whole context in which these dialects are spoken within.
viktorvaughn
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I think mate has gone neutral now, tons of people say it.
Mr. Tea
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But what about a working-class black kid, a working-class white kid and a working-class South Asian kid talking in more or less the same dialect/accent/idiom because they've grown up together and that's just how they talk? In other words it's a result of a convergence of speech patterns, not one group adopting an idiom that 'belongs' to another but rather, mutual influence.
People can end up with usages in their language that have originated in other cultures without it necessarily being a case of bankers from Surrey trying to sound like Buju Banton...can't they?
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yes, especially Australian accents in London/Uk: silly but harmless to most people
vimothy
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I'm not saying that. . However: back in the early '90s when I wore baggy jeans, listened to hip-hop, and road a skateboard, I was in school in the Netherlands. I remember walking down the hall and a couple of frat boy types passed me and said, "guess that's what they call a wigger". Reference to the term "n*gger" notwithstanding, you both seem to be in agreement. White people shouldn't try to act (or speak) black. And what does it mean to "act black"? It means here that there are ways of being that are unique to the different races, and that we must respect that uniqueness. But of course none of these things are actually true.
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On power relations, I am reminded of an off-the-cuff footnote in Reassembling the Social on the way that sociology has often "substituted an invisible, unmovable, and homogeneous world of power for itself":
baboon2004
Darned cockwombles.
No time to answer in full, but about minority groups that aren't in favour of complete cultural miscegenation and want to protect what they see as their culture? Do cultural/communal rights not count?
baboon2004
Darned cockwombles.
vimothy
yurp
This course of action is open to any and all and is frequently invoked--by the BNP, for example. But it's more complicated than the racial or cultural purists would have you believe.
Indeed. Why should wearing baggy jeans mean I was acting black? What does the way I dress have to do with anything...?
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Sure, but what groups might be especially keen to do this? At a guess I'd imagine orthodox Jews, maybe - but are Hebrew-derived slang terms and usages common amonst da yoof? Probably not, as orthodox Jews tend to form very insular communities and not mix much with outsiders. OTOH, do Brits of West Indian origin lose a lot of sleep over the popularity of Red Stripe here or the prevalence of 'batty-boy' as an insult? Let's not get all well-meaning-white-liberals-taking-offence-on-other-people's-behalf about this.
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