Are you an owl or a lark?

[Mr. Tea]

2 - some of the worst "sexist dickheads" I've ever known - myself included when I was younger - were also ardent, outspoken feminists

Ha, reminds me of something I've noticed: that I've never met or spoken to a woman who thought Dworkin's ideas were worth two shits. The only people I've ever heard speak approvingly of her or attempt to use her in an argument have been guys wanting to prove their impeccable feminist credentials. Ho hum.

Edit: that's probably not what you were getting at exactly, but it seemed relevant. Also, I can't see where the assumption that it's "sexist" to be a "skirt-chaser" comes from - as long as you're not doing in an abusive way, what's wrong with being promiscuous, whether you're a man or a woman? You'd hardly accuse a woman who likes to sleep with lots of different guys of being a "man-hater", would you?

as far as contracts, I didn't realize you meant the complicating factors were the contract, so to speak...

Oh blimey, I didn't quite mean to equate the two - but there's certainly a bit connection or overlap. I'm too tired now to give it much detailed thought. All I say is, the course of true love never did run smooth...

 

[nomadthethird]

Ha, reminds of something I've noticed: that I've never met or spoken to a woman who thought Dworkin's ideas were worth two shits. The only people I've ever heard speak approvingly of her or attempt to use her in an argument have been guys wanting to prove their impeccable feminist credentials. Ho hum.

Yeah, I've never heard any woman who isn't a lesbian promote the idea of abstaining from heterosexual intercourse as some kind of One True Path to political freedom for women, either.* I don't mind having sex with women. But I like having sex with men, too. And anyway, what is that supposed to achieve? Besides sexual frustration? It's so infantile. It's like the logic of the housewife who withholds sex passive-aggressively from her husband, in a desperate bid to gain some ground over him, and the result is just more strife and anger in the household, with the woman still in the economically disadvantaged position, with no power, stuck in various stunted, psychologically unhealthy and immature social behaviors. It also relies on the idea that men are all incapable of having sex the "right way", whatever that means, and on the notion that women are demeaned by sex with men, which they aren't. Although sexists love imaging so! It's their favorite pastime.

*With the possible exception of Julie Bindel, who has perhaps the worst case of flaming 'feminist misogyny', transphobia, and virulent hate not otherwise specified that I've ever countenanced in a self-proclaimed "radical".

 

[nomadthethird]

I've just thought of a good analogy for what people telling women they should abstain from intercourse is like:

It would be like telling Rosa Parks that-- instead of refusing to give up her seat for the white person in exchange for one at back of the bus designated for blacks, after a long day of hard work, after long years of oppression and repression and prejudice and hatred and attack-- she should have gotten off the bus and walked home instead. It'd be like telling all black people in the segregationist south to walk instead of taking the bus, to avoid white people, and to never, ever marry or have sex with whites. That'll show them segregationists!

Except it won't, at all. It wouldn't do anything, except possibly contribute to the further vilification, segregation, and political ghetto-izatio/marginalization of blacks and their concerns.

 

[grizzleb]

2 - some of the worst "sexist dickheads" I've ever known - myself included when I was younger - were also ardent, outspoken feminists (open relationships can be a great cover for good, old-fashioned skirt-chasing, tho admittedly the ladies (& various intergendered people, & so on) can get after it too in that regard). I don't think social milieu is really that much of a variable. a lot of stuff is just sexism - or whatever - expressed in different ways. not that everything's the same - certainly some things are better than others. also, there are plenty of genuinely good men out there.

Also worth pointing out that 'sexism is in the eye of the beholder' in a sense. For example a girl I know who I talk to about this stuff thinks I'm a complete misogynist because I think that prostitution should be legalized - my offhand remark that it's happened since for ever and it will continue to happen, is met with 'murder has happened since forever too, you don't legalise that' (??), and then I'll go and talk to another person who thinks my views on prostitution aren't radical enough at which point I again become a misogynist pig etc. It's a tightrope where because I've got a cock I'm always a dickhead (btw nomad I'm not asking for any pity before you mock me). It's always a worthwhile conversation to have.

 

[IdleRich]

"She looks like she may have very small ass implants as well, but that could just be loads of exercise."

You learn something every day.... seems weird to spend so long "improving" a part of your body you can't even see but I guess she knows her business.

Yeah, I've never heard any woman who isn't a lesbian promote the idea of abstaining from heterosexual intercourse as some kind of One True Path to political freedom for women, either.*

*With the possible exception of Julie Bindel, who has perhaps the worst case of flaming 'feminist misogyny', transphobia, and virulent hate not otherwise specified that I've ever countenanced in a self-proclaimed "radical".

Bindel is a lesbian... and also a moron I fear. As far as I can tell her natural tastes lie towards women but she'd rather claim that she trained herself not to sleep with "the enemy" and so other women should be able to do that too and if they don't they are betraying their sex.
Heard other people make the transphobic claim as well, did she say something along the lines of "people who change their gender and have sex with people who are the same gender as they were previously are traitors to homosexuality"?

 

[petergunn]

Interview with existentialist porn star Sasha here

http://www.vbs.tv/watch/shot-by-kern/sasha-grey

Not safe for work unless you're in the same line as her.

she's no dummy, but her accent/diction/way of speaking makes her sound dumbish... she's cute, tho... as afar as i can tell, her body is natural, but i have been fooled b4..........

 

[baboon2004]

I kinda fancied her before she started talking.

 

[IdleRich]

If it's the right person I think she is about to be or has just been in some mainstream Hollywood film. I read something with the director or whoever saying how bright she was and how when he started talking about Godard it turned out she had seen a load of his stuff - not that that means anything in itself but it's not necessarily what you expect from a porn star.

 

[STN]

The film is The Girlfriend Experience I think it's out on DVD.

 

[scottdisco]

With the possible exception of Julie Bindel, who has perhaps the worst case of flaming 'feminist misogyny', transphobia, and virulent hate not otherwise specified that I've ever countenanced in a self-proclaimed "radical".

yup.

 

[nomadthethird]

I kinda fancied her before she started talking.

I don't think she sounds dumb, I think she sounds young.

I go to school with a bunch of 18-22yo right now, and compared to them, she sounds like a fucking rocket scientist.

 

[grizzleb]

I don't think she sounds dumb, I think she sounds young.

I go to school with a bunch of 18-22yo right now, and compared to them, she sounds like a fucking rocket scientist.

Yeah I just watched it there, I didn't think she sounded 'dumb' at all either. Her attitude is spot on anyway.

 

[baboon2004]

I don't think she sounds dumb, I think she sounds young.

I go to school with a bunch of 18-22yo right now, and compared to them, she sounds like a fucking rocket scientist.

was only being flippant - I have no problem with what she says at all. I didn't mean i liked her less cos of the way she talks, ratherthat that particular generic diction/whatever I don't personally find attractive. Which is just a prejudice of mine, doesn't mean i think she's not lucid.

 

[nomadthethird]

Uck, today I wake up to a gay man lecturing me about how the only truly feminist show would be "No Sex in the City" modelled after Andrea Dworkin's sex fascism.

Yeah, right. Meanwhile, he gets to have sex with the male oppressor whenever he wants. Something's fishy about all this...

 

[nomadthethird]

"Wymin must provide an alternate view of everything, be different, be other, be elusive."

That was the next gem, I knew that was coming.

You know, if there's a hell, Dworkin's in it, I hope. She basically gave every male misogynist (and a lot of female misogynists) on earth a "feminist" viewpoint to hide behind. Basically, when men trot out Dworkin, they might as well be saying "well, you don't like patriarchy, eh? Well then, you shouldn't even be allowed to have sex or live in society with men. Take that! Oh, and you're a whore and a capitalist pig slut bag traitor if you do."

It reminds me of when Rush Limbaugh brings up Alan Keyes' views as proof that blacks really don't find Whitey oppressive, in a twisted sorta way. Like, there's always one you can find who will legitimize your sick views. And that one gets used for all they're worth.

 

[benjybars]

I don't know. I think most people probably use it for pain relief. Masturbation releases endorphins (or something). Of course when you get really into it, it doesn't particularly matter what you're looking at: I mean on one hand it's of the utmost importance, but on the other it doesn't matter whether you actually desire anyone the images are showing.

The way I usually do it, not to get too vulgar, is to spend the 1st hour watching things I'd like to be involved with myself, with people who I consider desirable. The second hour I start going for 'weirdness', but doing it slowly so it's still enjoyable. So by the third hour I'm usually coming up on ladyboy 'golden shower' type stuff... (not that there's anything wrong with that, of course. why repress?) seems to work well. But there are other variations I employ to keep things interesting.

haha.. this thread needs more four_five_one

 

[nomadthethird]

haha.. this thread needs more four_five_one

He's too busy with chatroulette, the latest trend in instant web communications and pr0n.

How can we compete with that?

 

[swears]

Yo I'm into feet, I'll be up for a bit of that, just let me get my outfit on.

This is the greatest photo of all time. I'd like to think it was taken at a university's computer lab with a load of nerds in white coats standing round him ticking things off on clip boards.

 

[swears]

This is what he can see through those goggles:

 

[swears]

Anyways... yeah, well I'm an owl, obvs. One thing I always do is get plastered on the Friday and Saturday night, then sleep in really late on the Sunday morning (this "morning" I slept in until 2:30PM) and, round about now I'm up until 3 in the morning looking at 4 hours sleep before a full working day because my sleep patterns are all fucked.

On the subject of filth: The one thing that puts me off porn/strippers/prostitution is the fact that the attraction is all one way. I'm too vain! I need to be fancied back, the idea of paying for sex is horrifying. That's just a personal thing, though. Prostitution for all it's problems should be legalised, no good driving it underground.