wow - it's impressive you found nastiness in that statement!
you must really be looking for it lol.
ridiculous !
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if New York can die so can London
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wow - it's impressive you found nastiness in that statement!
you must really be looking for it lol.
ridiculous !
Benny Bunter
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sorry i always go back to my posts and edit them, often to try and avoid being rude but also i had to take something out the oven.
why did new york rot away musically though
i mean in terms of exciting music with guitars in it and people singing - it's thriving - or was a couple years ago at least - it's been a hotbed - all that stuff that reynolds likes now you know...
but dance music is something very different and that's one of the things that london thrives on - and it is a very different beast, and very different from new york which has disco > house and garage and is a very different audience from the uk, but then when was london last great for guitar music etc too?
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Benny Bunter
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no worries -
nyc is somewhere where hipsterism has created some interesting music though - all those ppl out in williamsburg etc - but they're not interested in nyc dance music - they're into the brit stuff, hardly any of those people are native new yorkers too - they're just a giant network of white kids with a bit of cash. Maybe the new yorkness of it is alienating when you're in a giant network - that of course has a flipside and is part of the problem too.
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and they moved to london too, lots of folk from nyc etc - to the east end and then moved back and formed bands and labels etc...is it that not staying true to your locality could be part of the problem really?
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what could potentially kill london is this rather severe swing on it's axis it's currently undergoing -
shoreditch / dalston is becoming a second wing of the west end - the heart of the eastend has to be cater for wealthier tastes because of it's closeness to the city- but this means closing it down too in many ways.
Also couple that with the olympics shedding light on the east end etc and things are kind of strange.
shoreditch / dalston is becoming a second wing of the west end - the heart of the eastend has to be cater for wealthier tastes because of it's closeness to the city- but this means closing it down too in many ways.
Also couple that with the olympics shedding light on the east end etc and things are kind of strange.
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luka
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dear martin clarke.
a)mms can take care of himself.
b)i didnt attack him. i was highly complimentary accusing him of being someone who wrote wll and had a good line in put downs. he says it wasnt him and i beleive him. th point still stands. i called him curmudgeonly which is fairly indisuputable. anyway, just wanted to say that, mms, as well as causing offence in multiple directions is also making a good attempt at pushing this discussion in the direction i want it to go, ie away from post-dubstep vs funky.... i said i welcomed his return and i meant it.
continue please.
a)mms can take care of himself.
b)i didnt attack him. i was highly complimentary accusing him of being someone who wrote wll and had a good line in put downs. he says it wasnt him and i beleive him. th point still stands. i called him curmudgeonly which is fairly indisuputable. anyway, just wanted to say that, mms, as well as causing offence in multiple directions is also making a good attempt at pushing this discussion in the direction i want it to go, ie away from post-dubstep vs funky.... i said i welcomed his return and i meant it.
continue please.
cheers boss.
Defo not in Scotland, cunt/cunts a substitute for person/people
i think you can say cunt in the same way you can say you old git, its not a 100% compliment, but its not a 100% insult either. sort of an affectionate dig. like 'hes a lucky git' or something. i do use it more as an insult though. it is still quite a bad one. though in the right circles, with ppl you have an understanding with, it can be affectionate and lovingly deployed.
thanks, you cunt.
ahh i think its the effect of the east london line - i was on the same train as a pair of dealers on friday coming from south east london - and ended up going to the same rave as them, they were the life and soul of the party - one was the dictionary definition of a wide boy, it was excellent, the rave was full of people who weren't dreary hipsters checking each others japanese selvage denim out - that's pretty rare in that area and a massive relief too.
Also dressing like a hipster is so affordable nowdays, if you want to - you don't have to save - the sales are pretty much permanent, anyone can do it -
The whole area is going to change - around shoreditch high station they're opening expensive designery stores and all that..
all around shoreditch house - the artists migrated from using the artspaces around dalston/hackney/ shoreditch/ brick lane etc to swimming in the pool on the top of that place with their banker friends.
gumdrops - i read your deleted post you should have carried on and wrote more about what you were going to say, come on you can do it!
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all i was saying was that if east london is getting too costly and ppl are being priced out then those ppl might end up moving further out to places like walthamstow or gasp, essex. essex could be the new place to watch (im sort of joking - maybe logan can tell us). then again essex is bloody far to get to anywhere isnt it.
but then a place like walthamstow would eventually just end up like old street. i.e. once young artsy but not so well off white ppl move in, and make it seem a bit more inviting and less risky than when it was all immigrants, it entices slightly richer, newer, mainly white residents, and so on and so on.
im just rambling really, i dont live or work in old street. and the whole focus on old street, cool as that area is/was, its still quite a diff market from the romford/essex/faces/if bar/fridgebar type of clubs. could be wrong but when luka was talking about london dying, i dont think he really cared or was talking about old street dying. i thought he was talking more about the 'hcc' lineage dying. and maybe there just isnt enough reward or energy in music anymore to motivate it into having the same momentum it had.
but then a place like walthamstow would eventually just end up like old street. i.e. once young artsy but not so well off white ppl move in, and make it seem a bit more inviting and less risky than when it was all immigrants, it entices slightly richer, newer, mainly white residents, and so on and so on.
im just rambling really, i dont live or work in old street. and the whole focus on old street, cool as that area is/was, its still quite a diff market from the romford/essex/faces/if bar/fridgebar type of clubs. could be wrong but when luka was talking about london dying, i dont think he really cared or was talking about old street dying. i thought he was talking more about the 'hcc' lineage dying. and maybe there just isnt enough reward or energy in music anymore to motivate it into having the same momentum it had.
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Slothrop
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Doesn't that basically already happen with London on a ten year (ish) timescale, and with New York neighbourhoods about every twenty minutes?