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I like this,

At such moments you feel that Fisher’s imagination—perhaps Deleuze’s as well—is essentially Gnostic: a thing is ruined when it starts to exist. The music that Fisher wrote so beautifully about, punk and post-punk, thrills us when we’re young, because every young person is a Gnostic Christian, a spark of alienated self-awareness trapped inside layers of matter, navigating a social world made all the more powerful by the fact that no one believes in it.
 

thirdform

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say more third

k-punk also didn't like rap but the less said about that the better tbh. he had far more in common with the indie boys than people would like to admit, esp towards the end of his music writing.

This was the modernism he should have wanted. Even the most thuggy and degrading gangsta rap reflects the every day reality of the black working class experience.

Instead he resorted, to, what. Music as bohemian concern.
 

thirdform

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which is fine, i am fairly divorced from most post-2014 rap, but I don't build my politics on a culture which shouts truth to power. Which was Mark's fundamental concern. A revival of culture, not hanging factory bosses from lamp posts. Big difference.
 

thirdform

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the sole real development of capitalism is its creation of a barbaric working class. I exalt that barbarianism, that uncultivatedness as really what there is as revolutionary. Mark, despite his criticisms of identity politics, wanted a working class which could be neatly socially engineered and cultured. His criticism of identity politics had far more to do with methodist labourist charity than proletarian dictatorship.

He was merely the traditional church scholastic, the high priest of ideology which would filter down to the preachers.

I'm the opposite, I want to bring out the only necessary material content in religion, the gnostic zeal.. Otherwise, fuck religion to hell, and let it die with its feudal nostalgics.

Mark was quite anti-marxist in significant ways.
 

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I only have pure venom for the Surrey-based white labourite family who has voted for labour for 90 years of its existence and believes in a fair days wage for a fair days work. These people are usually disgusting national chauvinists who 90% of the time have found themselves in the middle class. Much more subversive is the apolitical kid from hull who dreams of robbing all the rolexes, because unlike the labour simpleton, he understands that class is not a single cultural ideal but an international social relationship which cuts across borders and involves global supply chains which can reflect various cultural forms.
 

jenks

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Ok. I'll read it after I finish The Prelude.
I wouldn’t bother with TofA unless you really need to - it’s a bag of spanners, the work of two playwrights, you can see the join where they attempt to wedge the play into shape. A cut and shut job.
 

jenks

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I only have pure venom for the Surrey-based white labourite family who has voted for labour for 90 years of its existence and believes in a fair days wage for a fair days work. These people are usually disgusting national chauvinists who 90% of the time have found themselves in the middle class. Much more subversive is the apolitical kid from hull who dreams of robbing all the rolexes, because unlike the labour simpleton, he understands that class is not a single cultural ideal but an international social relationship which cuts across borders and involves global supply chains which can reflect various cultural forms.
Those mugs who want a fair wage for their labour- fuck ‘em hey! What bollocks.
 

thirdform

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a fair wage for a fair days work is a meaningless slogan, just like clause 4 in the labour party was meaningless tripe, something which harold macmillan (someone who has diametrically opposed politics to me) wryly observed.
 

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Harold Macmillan in the Parliamentary debate of 1946, quoted in Andrew Taylor’s, The NUM and British
Politics: 1944–1968 (Aldershot: Ashgate Publishing, 2006), p. 81
In many ways, Labour’s election campaign of 1945 was intended to be a paradigmatic expression of the way in which the Party intended to govern. The rousing image of a New Jerusalem, emerging out of the smoky rubble, exemplified the quasi-religious
(even millennial) expectations of socialists throughout the war. Labour’s Manifesto Let Us Face the Future was saturated with a kind of eschatological urgency that defied the material austerity the Party would undoubtedly inherit should it win the contest. Yet, despite such obstacles, Labour politicians were clear. Their party was in the business of changing Britain through a citizenry radicalised by the threat of invasion. Labour’s pitch to the electorate was nothing less than the Socialist Commonwealth of
Great Britain, a society in which free-market dogma and avoidable human suffering would be left far behind. Yet, five years later, Labour’s vision of British socialism seemed less than dynamic. True, Labour had nationalised 20% of the British
economy 44 and introduced a raft of social security measures. Yet it had not built the kind of worker-led common ownership structures which its own rhetoric of Democratic Socialism seemed to mandate. In the case of larger industries like coal, Labour’s rally-cry of industry ‘working for the nation’ meant little more than consolidating smaller private firms into semi-autonomous public corporations. 45 There was no direct input from the ordinary workers who risked their lives at the
coal-face. Moreover, many of the private owners who had been blamed for running down the industry in the 1930s were handsomely compensated in the wake of nationalisation. 46 Some even sat on the new governing boards to oversee this grand adventure in ‘socialist’ planning. An excellent summary of Labour abject failure in this area comes from an unusual quarter, the Radical Tory Harold Macmillan.
Speaking in the debate on the Coal Industry Nationalisation Bill, Macmillan observed
(with more than a hint of mischief): This Bill vests the ownership of all the colliery undertakings in a board of nine
men—nine men not elected by, or even containing a single elected representative
of, the mining community. It is not nationalisation in the old sense of the word ... This is not Socialism; it is State capitalism. There is not too much participation by
the mineworkers in the affairs of the industry; there is far too little. There is not too
much syndicalism; there is none at all. 47
This tentativeness on the part of the Labour Party sits in contrast to the hopes of
many miners, with whom Macmillan’s words probably struck a chord. If we judge
Labour’s commitment to socialism on the record of its top-down nationalisation
programme, we must conclude that its dedication to the ideal of common-ownership
was shaky at best.

 

IdleRich

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Much more subversive is the apolitical kid from hull who dreams of robbing all the rolexes, because unlike the labour simpleton, he understands that class is not a single cultural ideal but an international social relationship which cuts across borders and involves global supply chains which can reflect various cultural forms.
Does he now? He's pretty smart this hypothetical apolitical kid from Hull.
 
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Smug detachment is the required postmodern pose, because, on a psychological level, postmodernism is driven above all by the fear of looking silly, of being seen to be taking something - which the big Other might turn out to deem as ridiculous - seriously. The pomonaut is so depressively flat because he is well aware that there is nothing that can in principle escape this judgement. Conspicuously cultivated ironic distantiation, the flaunting of lack of commitment, is thus the only possible option. (Which is why @luka ? was right to celebrate Brian Sewell and Tim Westwood a while back, since they are quite the opposite: people who have the courage to be committed, no matter how silly they may be considered by others.)
 
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