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[sadmanbarty]

crowl?

 

[sadmanbarty]

pattycakes?

 

[sadmanbarty]

blissblog?

 

[sadmanbarty]

corpse?

 

[sadmanbarty]

padraig?

 

[thirdform]

thirdform, opinion?

prefer this

 

[sadmanbarty]

this exemplifies the type of thing i was talking about in the other thread. these hackneyed signifiers of psychedelia. i guess that’s why you picked it. it’s interesting to unpack where it fails in transmitting the psychedelic experience actually. the following are just some ways in which…

that's genius. hadn't thought of it like that.

 

[sadmanbarty]

i assume this is your attempt to play to my aesthetics (the robocop bumming as you so eloquently put it). i can easily see why you’d think i’d like it; that bombastic maximialism. i’d even compare it to rusty lol. funnily enough though i actually prefer something like robbery. so i guess the onus is on me to unpack where it fails in meeting my aesthetics tastes. a few thoughts:…

i'll resist the urge to give you a bollocking by comparing it with rusty. it's great to have someone with such starkly contrasting aesthetic sensibilities as mine explore it in such great detail. completely giving me a new perspective on something i'm so familiar with and sure about in my own mind.

 

[sadmanbarty]

the thing is that if you’d been listening to lucy umpledink this would sound like a shameless appropriation, but you haven’t which is why people like you think “oh nicki is a rapper” when actually she’s just an insurance salesman, but because you don’t know the history of it you wouldn’t know that. i can point to the following to show why this is so derivative:….

i don't hear the similarities at all. what in particular are you hearing being derived?

 

[sadmanbarty]

this sounds so empty to me. emotionally plastic. disingenuous. think of it like a salad. compare it to this jane’s addiction song. i’ll now compare and contrast these two songs to highlight what’s evoking emotion and a sense of authenticity in me….

bloody hell! i've never seen someone say so much that is completely wrong so poignantly before. it's exactly this type of post that dissensus is good for.

 

[sadmanbarty]

i could never get into road rap. to me all the energy of the nuum’s been sucked out; it’s so nihilistic. i presume with this one you’re trying to highlight the similarities between road rap and the hardcore continuum. i can sort of see where you’re coming from. it’s retained that hardcore energy. that grimey gruffness. the bass part is nuumatic. my favourite part is where all the drums go through those filters; like a jet stream. not entirely dissimilar from 1983 a murman i’ll be.

a nice bit of rap punditry there.

 

[sadmanbarty]

i’ve often said that rap is good because they sample all the good bits from jazz so that you don’t have to listen to all the boring stuff. is this your attempt to align jazz with classical music? i can see that in it. if this was made by a white person would it be called classical music? those quartal voicings remind me of debussy. the melodic bits are ok, but there are bits where the melody is ignored in exchange for these rhythmic acrobatics which i don’t care much for. it’s not touching my sense of romanticism though like a lot of classical does. i’ll explore that more through the following yeats quote…

before you know it we'll have corpse walking round his mum's b&b doing jazz hands and scat singing.

 

[sadmanbarty]

groovey my dude. like d-beat funk. love the guitars, they sound like shrapnel. the saxophone’s a bit… out of place. in a funny way it actually sounds like free-for-all era of new disco. let me compare it to the following d-beat and disco tracks:...

wow. not where i was expecting you to go with that. all the better for it.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

padraig?

well, u incorrigible scamp - I quite liked it, much more than On the Corner proper which is a record I respect immensely but never want to actually listen to

the guitar is excellent. post-Jimi (all that wah-wah) obv and Sly but also full-on SONIC ATTACK.

the sax is...OK - in general I'm more in favor of saxophones the more they sound like sheet metal, but at it least it's pretty minimal

the drums are ofc great - that freeform funk from a jazz mindset, kinda maximalist Jaki Liebezeit meets Clyde Stubblefield in a tumbling elevator vibe

spiritually prefigures the 4th world death funk vibe of 23 Skidoo, (kinda) A Certain Ratio, etc and the anti-funkier end of no wave

what it really reminds me of is the wildest freeform of the heavier side of krautrock and similar - apocalyptic squalling guitars and the sense of everything collapsing in on itself combined with endless forward propulsion - but tighter - less shambolic, more neurotic. tight guys creating chaos, nothing woolly or fuzzy, but a similar result. I really like the combination of that propulsion - Liebezeit/Tony Allen unshackling James Brown into the eternal now - combined with the Stockhausen process music influences (as realized in In C, Music for 18 Musicians etc) which jives the direction him + Macero were already going with the tape editing (another Can similarity). music as indefinite act of addition and subtraction.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

I'm not surprised 70s jazzbos passionately hated On the Corner

I saw one comment comparing it unfavorably as jazz-funk to Donald Byrd, which is one of those so thoroughly missing the point you don't even know to respond

 

[sadmanbarty]

padraig's my new favourite.

as for the others. i hope you reflect on how you've let me down and how you've let yourselves down.

 

[thirdform]

i'll resist the urge to give you a bollocking by comparing it with rusty. it's great to have someone with such starkly contrasting aesthetic sensibilities as mine explore it in such great detail. completely giving me a new perspective on something i'm so familiar with and sure about in my own mind.

Well it's not always about maximalism sometimes it's about the abrupt drum machine textures and rushed, frenetic vocal incantations, and how they integrate into a hole, it's not all robocock you know. you can't always have sex unless you're a fucking russian monarchist. as kollontai said in socialism sex will be like going for a glass of water. quite trivial. I like those intricate riddims like diwali riddim and Dreamweaver Riddim, caribbean-futurist. so it's like minimalist maximalism. exploit the potential of the space, fill it up wih what there is not.

thoughts?

 

[thirdform]

luka?

 

[thirdform]

corpsey?

 

[thirdform]

crowl: