Russia Surrounded

[Clinamenic]

Well I am generally seeing it through a polarized American lens, where the right wing here seems to sympathize with Russia because it opposes the western order (which happens to be liberal).

edit: I guess I should say part of the right wing. I would say just the far Trump contingency, but I also saw that Tucker Carlson was entertaining Russian sympathies. Could have been fake, I suppose.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Yes, he said he would strike Moscow if Putin made a move on Ukraine on his watch.

Oh really. He said it was "wonderful" and apparently buys the Kremlin line that it's a " peacekeeping" mission.

 

[Leo]

Yes, he said he would strike Moscow if Putin made a move on Ukraine on his watch.

LOL, please. he wouldn't have done shit, don't you remember the blowjob he gave Putin on live global TV at the Helsinki summit press conference?

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

It's not a hill I'm prepared to die on.

 

[WashYourHands]

 

[luka]

woops was saying to me today, and i think this is more or less verbatim, the Iron Curtain of the 1940s and ‘50s was ostensibly designed to isolate Russia from Western Europe – to keep out Communist ideology and military penetration. Today’s sanctions regime is aimed inward, to prevent America’s NATO and other Western allies from opening up more trade and investment with Russia and China. The aim is not so much to isolate Russia and China as to hold these allies firmly within America’s own economic orbit. Allies are to forego the benefits of importing Russian gas and Chinese products, buying much higher-priced U.S. LNG and other exports, capped by more U.S. arms.


The sanctions that U.S. diplomats are insisting that their allies impose against trade with Russia and China are aimed ostensibly at deterring a military buildup. But that cannot really be the main Russian and Chinese concern. They have much more to gain by offering mutual economic benefits to the West. So the underlying question is whether Europe will find its advantage in replacing U.S. exports with Russian and Chinese supplies and the associated mutual economic linkages.

 

[luka]

the weakness, as i see it, of this line of woopsies is that it takes it granted that the US sort of forced Putin to attack Ukraine. but perhaps i'm missing something. otherwise it's an interpretation i enjoy.

 

[WashYourHands]

Do you think he's gone mad?

nearly 70, legacy project (Kremlin-style)? fuck knows

 

[luka]

maybe doctors have given him 6 weeks to live and he just thought, you know what, fuck it

 

[Simon silverdollarcircle]

 

[Simon silverdollarcircle]

He doesn't look great at the moment does he? He's got that coke bloat face that makes you look in the mirror and think, yeah better rein it in a bit. Take a few months off

 

[luka]

Zelenskyy grew up in Kryvyi Rih, a Russian-speaking region in south-eastern Ukraine.[3] Prior to his acting career, Zelenskyy obtained a degree in law from the Kyiv National Economic University. He then pursued comedy and created the production company Kvartal 95, which produces films, cartoons, and TV shows including Servant of the People, in which Zelenskyy played the role of president of Ukraine.

 

[luka]

this is versions take from an email he sent me

The west have allowed Russia and China to control fuel, fertilizer, steel, agrochemicals, electronics and our manufacturing base. They now have us where they want us and know we can do nothing without hurting ourselves.

This could be the end of the western superpowers.

 

[luka]

craner sent me this selfie

'having a quiet night in'

 

[Leo]

woops was saying to me today, and i think this is more or less verbatim, the Iron Curtain of the 1940s and ‘50s was ostensibly designed to isolate Russia from Western Europe – to keep out Communist ideology and military penetration. Today’s sanctions regime is aimed inward, to prevent America’s NATO and other Western allies from opening up more trade and investment with Russia and China. The aim is not so much to isolate Russia and China as to hold these allies firmly within America’s own economic orbit. Allies are to forego the benefits of importing Russian gas and Chinese products, buying much higher-priced U.S. LNG and other exports, capped by more U.S. arms.


The sanctions that U.S. diplomats are insisting that their allies impose against trade with Russia and China are aimed ostensibly at deterring a military buildup. But that cannot really be the main Russian and Chinese concern. They have much more to gain by offering mutual economic benefits to the West. So the underlying question is whether Europe will find its advantage in replacing U.S. exports with Russian and Chinese supplies and the associated mutual economic linkages.

your ability to recall and recount such complex discussion verbatim is impressive, uncanny even.

 

[luka]

thank you Leo, i've never thought about it much just assumed everyone could do it

 

[version]

maybe doctors have given him 6 weeks to live and he just thought, you know what, fuck it

One for the bucket list.

 

[WashYourHands]

Nowt stranger than folk with the world in their hands and very ltd time

 

[version]

this is versions take from an email he sent me

The west have allowed Russia and China to control fuel, fertilizer, steel, agrochemicals, electronics and our manufacturing base. They now have us where they want us and know we can do nothing without hurting ourselves.

This could be the end of the western superpowers.

 

[version]

Some anarchists allegedly ended up joining Azov battalion...