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[stelfox]

When people get to the kind of place he's reached, I think they see the mocking as a validation of having risen above the herd, so you're absolutely correct.

Not much cause for feeling sorry for him, though. It's just annoying, deluded and daft.

The "intellectual" far right is a particularly weird and unsympathetic pool of people, within a larger pool of weird and unsympathetic people.

 

[stelfox]

I'm quite fascinated by them. They're really tragic, on the whole. I've often thought that there could be a really good novel based around a central character like that.

 

[poetix]

I mean he's basically been clocked as a wrong 'un and rejected by every scene he's ever tried to worm his way into. There's only two ways you can go from that - you can do the hard work of fixing yourself up, or you can don the Gleaming Armour of Narcissus, and make it your grand cause to expose the Rejectionists as intellectually and morally enfeebled cowards who revealed their true weakness when confronted with your steadfast and noble etc. You have to be at a pretty low place in your life, like Justin Murphy levels of flailing self-sabotage, to get caught up with that schtick.

 

[sadmanbarty]

Me and barty would have given him a fair hearing without prejudice. Gone through some talking points. Tickled him a bit. Drawn him out. Engaged his human side. Talked about poetry.

i do feel terrible for calling him a dullard. woke up this morning feeling all guilty.

think the problem is everyone getting bogged down in these asinine 6th form dorm room debates. just lobbing these pre-rehearsed, set in stone inanities at each other.

we've got a collection of fun, smart, exciting people all together on here and it seems like a complete waste of potential to do what we did last night. nobody said anything smart or novel or interesting. nobody had fun.

imagine what dissensus could be if it could rise above this citizen smith nonsense.

 

[craner]

You have a big Bart.

 

[luka]

i do feel terrible for calling him a dullard. woke up this morning feeling all guilty.

think the problem is everyone getting bogged down in these asinine 6th form dorm room debates. just lobbing these pre-rehearsed, set in stone inanities at each other.

we've got a collection of fun, smart, exciting people all together on here and it seems like a complete waste of potential to do what we did last night. nobody said anything smart or novel or interesting. nobody had fun.

imagine what dissensus could be if it could rise above this citizen smith nonsense.

This is what's really getting me down stelfox gave me some hope by being emotionally honest and etc but as soon as Miller turned up it all got totally gross. I can't deal with it.

 

[stelfox]

There's only two ways you can go from that - you can do the hard work of fixing yourself up, or...

You've hit on something important here. I was about to write about laziness in my earlier post, but, errr.... thought it might take too long.

There's a hell of a lot of intellectual bone-idleness about it all. It's really hard, draining and emotionally costly work to attempt to shine in a group of very smart people. More often than not, you never will. Most of us, if we're lucky, get to be part of some interesting conversations. That should be enough, really.

Some people are needier than that, and get all bitter and twisted up about not being looked up to or at the centre of things.

Some of them go on to find or create the places where they can receive that attention, without having to put in any of the graft they would have needed to do elsewhere. It's always struck me as quite a lonely and fraudulent place to end up.

 

[stelfox]

This is what's really getting me down stelfox gave me some hope by being emotionally honest and etc but as soon as Miller turned up it all got totally gross. I can't deal with it.

I was doing other things last night and there's a time difference to consider. too. I wouldn't have wanted to talk to him, though. Particularly the way he came into this, challenging people to tell him what he'd done that was wrong. It's not like he doesn't know.

 

[stelfox]

That said, I would actually be interested to know what he's getting out of all this, really deep down, because I can't imagine it's much.

 

[craner]

Some of them go on to find or create the places where they can receive that attention, without having to put in any of the graft they would have needed to do elsewhere. It's always struck me as quite a lonely and fraudulent place to end up.

Oof.

 

[sadmanbarty]

i'm very much enjoying this stirring, cat fight craner

 

[poetix]

Scenius is a wonderful thing. Even the non-"ius" version, where it's just a scene, a bunch of people making each other laugh or helping each other get better at playing Eddie van Halen guitar soloes, is great. And it's not hard, really, to find a place in some scene somewhere. You don't have to be the cleverest or the funniest or the fastest shredder or whatever. Just have your own thing going on and share it honestly with other people.

 

[luka]

I was doing other things last night and there's a time difference to consider. too. I wouldn't have wanted to talk to him, though. Particularly the way he came into this, challenging people to tell him what he'd done that was wrong. It's not like he doesn't know.

I wasn't demanding to know why you weren't present. I was just saying I thought you set a good tone which wasn't followed up on by anyone else, obviously including jo, who as you say was being tediously disingenuous but possibly could have been lured into behaving like a human being and revealing a little more, who knows.

 

[sadmanbarty]

smoking joe k-zer, the hell razor, raising hell with the flavour

 

[poetix]

(That said: I am the fastest shredder. My sweep-picking skill is over 9000)

 

[luka]

And im the fastest funniest and cleverest but its not a competition and you all make valued contributions which I admire

 

[craner]

My sweep-picking skill is over 9000

So is mine.

 

[stelfox]

I wasn't demanding to know why you weren't present. I was just saying I thought you set a good tone which wasn't followed up on by anyone else, obviously including jo, who as you say was being tediously disingenuous but possibly could have been lured into behaving like a human being and revealing a little more, who knows.

I do know what you mean. Personally, I was reading through it in the hope that it would end in him challenging someone to a duel – which he's apparently done before. (Part of a grand rightwing lunatic tradition, as it happens - David Myatt did it quite a lot, back in the day.)

 

[poetix]

Troy Grady tried to do a video about me, but the framerate of his neck-mounted iPhone video capture wasn't up to capturing my sheer dizzying speed. He tried again with bleeding-edge recording equipment, but in the end he had to abandon the project as he didn't want to discourage all the other guitarists.

 

[droid]

I do know what you mean. Personally, I was reading through it in the hope that it would end in him challenging someone to a duel – which he's apparently done before. (Part of a grand rightwing lunatic tradition , as it happens - David Myatt did it quite a lot, back in the day.)

Pistols at golden dawn.