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Corpsey
bandz ahoy
English porn
Kitchen-sink realism
Like that bit in Withnail and I when he's watching the old woman eating a runny fried egg sandwich
yyaldrin
in je ogen waait de wind
love how much elements and samples have been put together in this track. a true collage of sounds. and again, enya!
luka
Well-known member
I only understand a fraction of thirds comments but this makes sense to me. I don't think of this stuff as rock by other means, and conceptualising it in terms of intensities is a good way to go. If we experience those intensities as a hostile force, as an attempt to overwhelm our defences, I think that we necessarily recoil, or refuse to engage, distance ourselves in one way or another, but if we can, tune ourselves in to those frequencies, enter inside of it and have it enter us, the experience is quite different. It's not what I gravitate to as a rule but I I'm not dismissive of it. Like webeschatology, this list put me in the strange and unexpected position of enjoying a gabba track. Weird. how did that happen?
I'm also not convinced of the death of rock. It did continue, just not on London's radar. that in itself is an interesting dynamic. obviously, for whatever reasons, black music from america and jamaica was more popular than the 'overtly working class' coded punk rock. why might that be? I'm sure Eden can drop some science here. like grooverider was into punk for a bit but he didn't do any of the hair styles and dressing up stuff. there was a division there. between the punks and the dance and dub heads. Yes obviously we know a lot of the original punks were into reggae. but come 1984 there was a real division. That division, i feel like had i lived then i would have to take sides really. just like people took sides between jungle and happy. I can't imagine being into the smiths and Rakim simultaneously.
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well, barry through down the gauntlet! although there are a few pieces that could be considered rock in their own idiosyncratic way in the list, the atlantics, the egyptian one and the selda. it's an interesting thought though, why is noise conflated with rock in the popular imaginary. on the surface this seems like a dumb self-evident question, but i feel there are threads worth teasing out.
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luka
Well-known member
Blissblogger has been conspicuous by his absence... Just a few pawprints and scats to show he's traversed the territory https://www.discoverwildlife.com/how-to/identify-wildlife/how-to-identify-animal-droppings/
Obviously you're one of the older heads on here, perhaps was even more in the the thick and thin of it 92, maybe more even than bliss, I can't say.
What do you think can be done with this framework, this roadmap, or this tableau? Obviously, I know its nuts and bolts, as I condensed it into a compact stream as it were. but if we uncoil it, then what happens? what happens when we zoom in with a microscope? What do we get apart from sound collage, what am i saying as this grand cultural statement as craner put it? am i basically just a closetted dj/rupture? i mean, i can't say I'd completely object to that, but at the same time I do have a fierce london tribalism running through me. Someone from manchester would probably include more detroit tracks or whatever. ditto also the um. i don't like using the word PC for obvious reasons but the interpretation of the gospel.
Barty's behind the time barrier is interesting for me. He is certainly more in touch with contemporary trends than i am. am i just evading reality and being the token retrofetishising digger, ultimately? I do tend to object to that because like crowl says for aphex the reason why he's so lauded is because of his conceptualism/home listening, his album format. obviously music should be about freedom, yet there seems to be something so.
I don't know, I was hoping people read the list from the perspective of a deep sadness and melancholy as well. not the melancholy of a lost utopia per se. did that occur to anyone?
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craner
Beast of Burden
I couldn't have known at the time that you were preparing this masterpiece!
It's a bit weird that we chose exactly the same DJ AKA track.