Election incoming

[thirdform]

same thing with social democrats in europe.

Corbyn is far to the right of his party at labour conference but honestly I'm so tired of the argument. I really do think the labour left is going to have to break soon because none of the proposals they voted on got put into the manifesto. you're being dicked around by a union bureaucracy and a PLP but noone has time to learn the intricacies of the LP so you're fighting on your own. if the proposals at conference were put into the manifesto I'd consider warming up to them a bit more.

 

[thirdform]

Exactly, and the very reason the smartest kids try to get into the position where you have others work for you

they aren't smart. everyone knows that to be a true capitalist you have to be uneducated and vulgar. it's different to the nobility in that regard who were genuinely learned and cultured, whatever we might think of them as an oppressor class.

 

[luka]

lots of ways to be smart and no one is smart without being simultaneously stupid in all sorts of other ways. That's why the nerd thing of rule of the smartest Corpsey was talking about is so off base. They just mean nerd smart which is a very specific and blinkered kind of intelligence. Brilliant for some tasks useless for others.

 

[thirdform]

Britain for historical reasons has the most concentrated capitalism as a social system as Luke very well pointed upthread but the mercantile mentality of capitalists can best be seen in Italy with its protection rackets and Mafioso. The bourgeois don't rule by habit or upbringing or custome. you can't bow at a business mans feet seriously and call him your excellency, it would be theatre. This was Nietzsche's opposition to socialism, in a way he kind of entertained the working class grievance, his argument basically went well if the ruled have noone to look up to, then they can throw the dice and give their own ideologies a chance.

 

[thirdform]

lots of ways to be smart and no one is smart without being simultaneously stupid in all sorts of other ways. That's why the nerd thing of rule of the smartest Corpsey was talking about is so off base. They just mean nerd smart which is a very specific and blinkered kind of intelligence. Brilliant for some tasks useless for others.

right. and nerds aren't socially raised to rule, they just come up with ideas. they have to have a hierarchy to do the unpleasant *governing* for them as most times they are socially awkward characters who would be shot in the real world for stepping on someone elses lawn.

 

[thirdform]

it's not like contracting a hitman. the nerd is dependent on that hierarchy, it can't be fired because its a hierarchy of the social fabric. the hitman can be replaced though.

 

[version]

This audience member absolutely nailed Boris.

 

[Mr. Tea]

I think Labour are going to do quite well in this election.

Mystic Craner has spoken!

Let's see if you can keep up your unblemished record.

 

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BBC caught up in another editing scandal

The BBC has been caught up in yet another editing scandal after the 1pm news reportedly altered reactions of the Question Time audience.

Boris Johnson drew a hysteric reaction from the audience after fielding questions on how important it is for people in positions of power to tell the truth.

The Prime Minister said trust is “absolutely vital” to the election, claims that didn’t wash with those at the event.

But when the clip aired on BBC the following day it appeared as if the PM had received a warm reaction for his comments.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/bbc-caught-up-in-another-editing-scandal/24/11/

 

[version]

Typical.

Rowena Mason
‏Verified account @rowenamason

Boris Johnson pledge for 50,000 more nurses not quite what it seems - 12k from abroad, 14k new undergrad students, 5k degree apprenticeships. Which leaves 19k nurses “retained” who would otherwise have left... so not “new” nurses at all
7:24 AM - 24 Nov 2019

 

[version]

Conservative lead narrows to 7 points - ICM poll

 

[version]

This is on the official Conservatives channel.

 

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Apparently two elderly Labour activists were assaulted yesterday in two separate incidents. An old man was punched in the face and an old woman was thrown over the bonnet of a car by someone ranting about 'Marxists' and 'Trotskyists'.

BREAKING: A @UKLabour activist has been attacked in Herefordshire while on the #GeneralElection2019 campaign trail. The victim, a woman in her 70s, was thrown onto a car bonnet in Bromyard and left with bruising and suspected broken ribs. More details right now on @bbchw.

Witnesses say the attacker was a female who called the @NHerefordLabour member “a Marxist” before assaulting her. It happened on Saturday, she needed ambulance treatment at the scene. Left with bruising and two suspected cracked ribs. No arrests made by @WMerciaPolice.

Witnesses say the attacker also defaced a Labour Party banner and called the activists “Trotskyists” before rounding on the victim who was assaulted. @NHerefordLabour say they’ll be advising members to always campaign in groups of two or more from now on.

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Labour activist, 72, 'punched in face by angry Brexit supporter' on doorstep

An elderly Labour activist has told how a Brexit supporter punched him in the face while he was canvassing in South Yorkshire.

Bob Thomson, a 72-year-old former plasterer, suffered a swollen jaw and two chipped teeth during the unprovoked attack in Rotherham.

Mr Thomson, who voted Remain in the referendum but believes the UK should honour the result, told The Independent: “To be honest, I think it was the Brexit thing that did it... He was a Brexiter. He was very anti-Labour, his aggression was against Labour.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...n-bob-thomson-halleby-rotherham-a9217796.html

 

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[version]

Boris' team are apparently refusing to agree to a date for his Andrew Neil interview.

 

[version]

The BBC supposedly told Labour they'd secured an interview with Johnson then once Corbyn had done his revealed they hadn't at all.

Theo Usherwood
‏Verified account @theousherwood

Theo Usherwood Retweeted Rob Burley

Labour source tells me BBC informed them Boris Johnson would do an Andrew Neil interview next week.

Turns out no such agreement had been reached.

If Tory leader isn't subjected to same scrutiny as Mr Corbyn, but his team was told he would be, that's a problem for the BBC.

 

[IdleRich]

Yeah, read about this. BBC are claiming that they never actually told Corbyn that the interview with the blond bombshell was actually in the bag actually. I don't know who to believe any more, so many lying liars lying like fuck all the time.
Johnson is being evasive about whether he will do an interview with Neil the shifty fucker.

 

[IdleRich]

Thoughts on this? Hope it's true...

David Renton:
In the last four polls, the Tories have been ahead by an average of 9 points
In the same four polls their lead has narrowed by an average of 3.5 points compared to the week before
That trend will continue for at least another week, taking another big chunk out of the Tory lead.
How do we know this?
Because a lot of the narrowing isn’t down to Labour doing well but simply increased youth registration.(+)
Of course, if Labour campaign well, the lead could narrow even faster
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+(When polling companies estimate who, in their sample, will actually vote - they discount a proportion of the preferences of under 35s as most don’t vote. At the start of the election period registrations were low. They have since increased as fast as in any election. The more evidence of youth registration they have, the less the polling companies discount. Registration ended on 25 November so up until around 2 December, a week on week comparison will still automatically predict a higher vote share for Labour compared to the week before).
If the Tories lose this election then one person will deserve as much credit as Corbyn: Stormzy

 

[Corpsey]

News of this distant event filters through to me via twitter occasionally and it seems absolutely fucking so mad and depressing that I dive gratefully headfirst back into the sand.

 

[luka]

It's not just about ensuring Boris wins it's about ensuring Corbyns brand of politics is discredited for generations to come. An obvious point but disappointing to see so many people who are, at the very least, somewhat to the left of mr tea, buy into it.

The most upsetting thing I've witnessed in politics I would say.