Keir Starmer

[DannyL]

Okay. You said above it' was demonstrably true - feel free to demonstrate. Would like to see what you're claiming. Enjoy yr bike ride.

 

[Mr. Tea]

And all in the hope of a few more votes from some DICKHEADS here in the Red Wall.

Well I'm sure that if you got out there and told these voters what you think of them, they'll return to the fold in no time!

Edit: I totally get your frustration. It's an ugly dilemma that has no solution that doesn't alienate a large number of voters and leave a supposedly progressive party, that's meant to be both pro-working class and anti-nationalist, open to accusations of either giving up on the working class or pandering to nationalism.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Corbyn was the first politician that me and my old stoner mates felt was one of us.

That's part of the problem, though. You'd surely be the first to admit that you have some fairly niche interests, right? Parties can't win elections by appealing to niche interests. They have to appeal to all the normies and sheeple that you despise.

 

[luka]

That's part of the problem, though. You'd surely be the first to admit that you have some fairly niche interests, right? Parties can't win elections by appealing to niche interests. They have to appeal to all the normies and sheeple that you despise.

Yes, exactly, that's the issue I'm complaining about.

 

[luka]

Okay. You said above it' was demonstrably true - feel free to demonstrate. Would like to see what you're claiming. Enjoy yr bike ride.

Eh? Nobody disputes that Corbyn appealed to voters no one else appeals to.

 

[luka]

I went to Crystal Palace. It was nice. Very suburban and affluent.

 

[subvert47]

Well I'm sure that if you got out there and told these voters what you think of them, they'll return to the fold in no time!

Trouble is some of them are my mates

Edit: I totally get your frustration. It's an ugly dilemma that has no solution that doesn't alienate a large number of voters and leave a supposedly progressive party, that's meant to be both pro-working class and anti-nationalist, open to accusations of either giving up on the working class or pandering to nationalism.

Labour policies in 2017 and 2019 were progressive, anti-nationalist, and pro-working class. But...

everyone was so worked up into hating Corbyn that they didn't notice.

Plus Brexit.

 

[DannyL]

Eh? Nobody disputes that Corbyn appealed to voters no one else appeals to.

Thought you might post something making that case.

 

[luka]

no, not interested.

 

[Mr. Tea]

But it is a fantasy.

I'd like to just mark the moment when the forum's biggest Adam Curtis fan briefly became Adam Curtis.

 

[subvert47]

Pretty much every word of this...

Keir Starmer is betraying his promises and losing voters as a result | Michael Chessum

The Labour leader has failed to hold the Tories to account on Brexit, and has abandoned his radical domestic programme

www.theguardian.com

 

[DannyL]

Nice to Chessun commenting. Give him a column, get rid of Owen Jones.

 

[subvert47]

On which note... here's Owen Jones:

 

[Mr. Tea]

Oh god, "The Owen Jones Show" - what did we do to deserve that?! 😑

 

[subvert47]

Owen's interview shows are excellent. And mostly he lets the guests speak.

 

[subvert47]

just putting this one out here...

 

[DannyL]

Not AAV. They (or he, rather) is worse than Jones by orders of magnitude. Bet he shat himself with delight writing that.

 

[DannyL]

I don't understand why I keep contributing to this thread. I must hate myself in a really weird way.

 

[subvert47]

Not AAV. They (or he, rather) is worse than Jones by orders of magnitude.

Ah, I didn't realize that. Thank you for setting me straight.

 

[subvert47]

Meanwhile...