Mr. Tea
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padraig (u.s.)
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for the record, I agree with all this 100%
vimothy likes to play these philosophic games, which are not invalid but exist at a far removal from the practical matter
not put words in his mouth, but I am almost certain he wouldn't disagree with anything in that quoted portion either
there are two different planes - as @constant escape puts it above, absolute and relative terms
so I wouldn't mistake "compromise" here for an encouragement to appease bigotry, take it in a more philosophic sense here
resolving a dialectic
in practice of course sometimes there is no reconciling, some % of people will never be won over
padraig (u.s.)
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I do have to disagree with you tho about the prevalence of ignorance. many people are shockingly ignorant.
these things - the existences of others - are hugely more mainstream than they were a generation ago, even a few years ago
but that cultural penetration hasn't been uniform. not everyone is on Twitter, or Very Online in general.
and, knowing that something exists isn't always the same as knowing what it really is, or anything besides that it exists
and the toxicity around discourse in many cases, the backlash, etc also acts as a distorting lens
not to excuse to any bigotry, just to say that I find it very easy to believe that people could be ignorant of what [x] existence is actually like
these things - the existences of others - are hugely more mainstream than they were a generation ago, even a few years ago
but that cultural penetration hasn't been uniform. not everyone is on Twitter, or Very Online in general.
and, knowing that something exists isn't always the same as knowing what it really is, or anything besides that it exists
and the toxicity around discourse in many cases, the backlash, etc also acts as a distorting lens
not to excuse to any bigotry, just to say that I find it very easy to believe that people could be ignorant of what [x] existence is actually like
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
for example, I strongly feel that people who haven't lived it simply don't understand that weariness, of having to debate your existence
I can attest to that personally. I didn't really understand it until I reconciled my own sexuality.
that literally existential weariness, estrangement from "normality", whence the history of queer melancholia
which is a stereotype but you know, as always, a kernel of true
and I simply feel straight people don't get it unless they've made some empathetic leap
as someone - can't remember who - got upset when I pulled him up on it in some other thread recently
you could say the same in re white people and POC, men and women, what have you
tbc, it's never incumbent on the disadvantaged group to do the work, always the other way
I can attest to that personally. I didn't really understand it until I reconciled my own sexuality.
that literally existential weariness, estrangement from "normality", whence the history of queer melancholia
which is a stereotype but you know, as always, a kernel of true
and I simply feel straight people don't get it unless they've made some empathetic leap
as someone - can't remember who - got upset when I pulled him up on it in some other thread recently
you could say the same in re white people and POC, men and women, what have you
tbc, it's never incumbent on the disadvantaged group to do the work, always the other way
chava
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Not denying this, but any teenager regardless of sexuality probably has these feelings. Existential weariness, alienation, feeling weird is not exclusive to "excluded" groups. Of course all those darned normies never feel existential dread, but they are less common that you might think
and that's why I think it's so galling to see Rowling use her platform this way - the character of Harry Potter is built on that private fear of not having a place to fit in, and the series as a phenomenon is that feeling blown up into a global scale of relatability, so to see her turn her back on that on that message of acceptance is so alienating to the people who these books have ever meant anything to
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Plus there's the whole anti-"mud-blood" prejudice among the "pure" wizarding families as an extremely subtle metaphor for racism.
WashYourHands
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Also the fact of Rowling’s vast and impressionable younger readership take her views as something to endorse too. Bigotry always has a trickle down effect.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
idk about that - people "have opinions" from a place of relative ignorance all the time
if that were not the case we would live in a better world than the one we actually live in
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
where did I say they were
of course we all experience alienation. is that really a disclaimer I need to make? is not implicit?
your response is the same kind of thinking as responding to "black lives matter" with "all lives matter" - who said otherwise? how does the one invalidate the other?
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
I'm talking about a specific kind of alienation unique to queer people
having experienced both I can tell you it is related to but not the same thing as the general alienation everyone feels
not to say all queer people experience alienation in the same way
otoh, go ask any queer person and they'll almost certainly know what I'm talking about
I'm sure there is a specific alienation that POC feel that white people don't, or that subalterns feel that colonists don't, or etc
having experienced both I can tell you it is related to but not the same thing as the general alienation everyone feels
not to say all queer people experience alienation in the same way
otoh, go ask any queer person and they'll almost certainly know what I'm talking about
I'm sure there is a specific alienation that POC feel that white people don't, or that subalterns feel that colonists don't, or etc
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
it really feels like I shouldn't have had to spell that out, but there you go
wearying
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padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
extremely
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
I mean it went right over my head until I read an article by Saveloj Zeazick where be points it out, but he's very clever and is able to spot stuff like that.
constant escape
winter withered, warm
True, but I can only operate in my jurisdiction, which is theoretical. Precisely because I don't have to deal with this stuff in the actual world, I can only appreciate it, and relate to it, in abstract ways. As effective as these ways can be at building an understanding, at supporting empathy, I'll never have to live it beyond speculation.
Corpsey
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Ultimate rowling troll move would be for her to reveal that Voldemort was a trans woman who first learned black magic to get into the boys' toilets at hogwarts.
Actually come to think of it moaning Myrtle is a ghost who lives in the girls toilets and occasionally floats into the boys bathrooms to perv on them. (To my knowledge she perved on Cedric diggory and Harry p.)
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Actually come to think of it moaning Myrtle is a ghost who lives in the girls toilets and occasionally floats into the boys bathrooms to perv on them. (To my knowledge she perved on Cedric diggory and Harry p.)
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constant escape
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