who are these mythical people who in the first place, agree with you, and in the second place are for an "ideal left"I'm more curious what all the folks here who agree with me about the excesses of current politics, and then stan for some "ideal left,"
josef k was a dyed in the wool marxist back then. he was even when I came on a few years later.you can see it in the early threads about capitalism and so on where people like josef k would kick back against Fisher and co
who are these mythical people who in the first place, agree with you, and in the second place are for an "ideal left"
Weve talked about this before, but I, and I know many on here agree, consider it a collection of values. Labor, need, realities on race and gender and etc.what do you consider the left? Who are politicians, or what are movements, that really capture your political imagination? mostly I encounter blue-haired waifs with trust funds who are hysterical about microaggressions and flailingly invoke Deleuze. No, I'm not talking about luka
my position is intersectional. I think you need the economic critique and you need the identity politics.Am I wrong?
gotta stop ascribing beliefs to peopleOkay so people here like Bernie
Your earlier comments about the 'statistics' of Trumps racism sounds to me like the apologia of someone for whom the well has been poisoned. The accompanying 'well obama did it worse' makes it hard to see it any other way. But I get that was in the middle of a barrage of commentsOkay so people here like Bernie
I guess I'm pretty mixed on him, because I think the whole "make college free situation" is willfully ignorant of the real problem in this country which is mindless credentialism, and will in fact make that problem even worse while also making taxpayers subsidize the mindless credentialism, but that's another story
I don't think the well got poisoned on me, I think the left is currently adrift and might need a hard reset, looking at the realities of coming automation and asking hard questions about how to handle the growing 80/20 stratification of those who can economically contribute and those who can't. When we've talked about these ideas on here, I've always found the conversation totally reasonable and informed. I just don't think that's the case of the larger political discourse or of political conflict more generally. That's just my opinion. I don't wanna argue about this unless it's grounded in real people and organizations tho, otherwise it's just arguing about what nebulous groupings of people think or don't think, and everyone's talking with different groupings and definitions in mind
dissensus isn't pro identity politics, it's an alt right MGTOW forum.Are people here onboard for American identity politics? That is the current most vocal and politically influential ideology of the American left. Let's not pretend it isn't.
Rather, I see a fair number of people with an economic leftist stance that says, "eh, maybe some kids are getting hysterical, but standing up for the working class and wealth redistribution is important."
Am I wrong?
RIP.David Graeber
weve also drifted away from the point here. this conversation started because it seemed you were denying, or at least downplaying, the real transgressions of Trump for reactionary reasons. No ones demanding you become some devout leftist.Okay so people here like Bernie
I guess I'm pretty mixed on him, because I think the whole "make college free situation" is willfully ignorant of the real problem in this country which is mindless credentialism, and will in fact make that problem even worse while also making taxpayers subsidize the mindless credentialism, but that's another story
I don't think the well got poisoned on me, I think the left is currently adrift and might need a hard reset, looking at the realities of coming automation and asking hard questions about how to handle the growing 80/20 stratification of those who can economically contribute and those who can't. When we've talked about these ideas on here, I've always found the conversation totally reasonable and informed. I just don't think that's the case of the larger political discourse or of political conflict more generally. That's just my opinion. I don't wanna argue about this unless it's grounded in real people and organizations tho, otherwise it's just arguing about what nebulous groupings of people think or don't think, and everyone's talking with different groupings and definitions in mind
have to disagree with some of luka's definitions.
Danny L certainly isn't right wing in any sense. center-left Labour type, albeit more for intervention (qua Syria) than some.
third is definitely a communist but john eden isn't, unless perhaps in the anti-state council communist sense
he, I, and probably droid are closer to anarchism, or coming out of that tradition anyway
we're all older and pragmatic at this point, but in belief
fuck I had no idea