Well what I'm referring to as algorithmic isn't the technocapitalism headed by various silicon valley figures, etc.we're not just talking about one thing, also
algorithmic rule isn't the same thing as the singularity or whatever you want to call sublimating the individual to some kind of hive mind
I think it is a pointless exercise doomed to failureWhat do you think of an approach like this?
but but ....Something I would never trust a computer, no matter how infinitely wise or well programmed, to deal with.
whoa there it's not even optional but control is not central or deliberateI think anything collective is probably doomed. You're on your own really. Once you start trying to control other people or come up with systems to do it for you, you run the risk of either driving yourself insane or becoming/creating a monster.
This is correct but you can throw out capitalism without losing this currentI think it is a pointless exercise doomed to failure
there's no such thing as an equitably optimized capitalism. capitalism by its nature cannot be regulated to be equitable.
you'd have to remove the profit motive, and then it isn't capitalism.
But it's productive to think what equations or formulae or shortcuts or procedures can steer the cyborgwe're not just talking about one thing, also
algorithmic rule isn't the same thing as the singularity or whatever you want to call sublimating the individual to some kind of hive mind
you mean, optimize for equity not necessarily including (i.e. minus) capitalism?This is correct but you can throw out capitalism without losing this current
I think it is a pointless exercise doomed to failure
there's no such thing as an equitably optimized capitalism. capitalism by its nature cannot be made to be equitable.
you'd have to remove the profit motive, and then it isn't capitalism.
We all are xyou mean, optimize for equity not necessarily including (i.e. minus) capitalism?
theoretically I don't see why not. it's not like optimization is inherently bad, just the idealization of it for everything.
in practice, it seems extremely unlikely since this stuff - algorithms and optimization - sits at the very heart of state and capitalist power
I mean, I assume there are already people using these tools to promote equity in any number of ways
but systemically my $ is 100% on authoritarianism and market capture in the long run
as to specific procedures or whatever to "steer the cyborg" no idea. like I said, I'm no cyberneticist.
generally someone has to, no? But not everyoneYou can't have a forum where people just say no, can't work, that's stupid, bad every time someone has a fun idea. We have to play along. That's the whole purpose of a forum!
The tragedy is, I'm serious about it.Bloody hell Padraig! It's just a fun thought experiment! We're not literally going to do it! Its much more fun for everyone if you just play along