The Antisocial Libido

[WashYourHands]

Dogging by Drone - A Neoliberal-Libidinal Detour.

Get in, son. Go with that.

 

[sus]

Does it though? Onan pulls out and spills his seed on the ground yet forever hence became unfairly known as history's most famous wanker.

If it didn't, it should have!

 

[constant escape]

The most important thing to know about masturbation is it's "degenerate play." Surrogation. A "hack."

And this gives us insight into the artificial, as defined upthread as the nature-via-human-willed development, rather than the fundamental "nature-willed" or just stochastic development. A folding over onto itself, a self-optimizing system. Which often involves risky and liberal manuevers.

 

[IdleRich]

If it didn't, it should have!

Well it's known as the sin of Onan... but the problem is not that he did it himself but the unfruitful knobbing he just gave his wife. I think it should be taken to ban all sex that deliberately seeks to avoid pregnancy.

 

[constant escape]

A folding over onto itself, a self-optimizing system.

Rather than a system that is effectively just optimized by its environment.

 

[luka]

What techniques have you found effective?

 

[constant escape]

Constantly raising my standards. Fueling the fantasy ("Could be the greatest mind of all time" etc), but also utilizing the pressure of a reality that says otherwise ("Well you better figure it out, otherwise you're delusional" etc).

 

[constant escape]

And the constant raising of standards is what I think is at play through us, and expressed into capitalism.

 

[constant escape]

Constantly optimizing the optimization process itself. There is always a higher metastatistic to optimize, etc.

 

[luka]

Yeah sort of.

 

[luka]

Except capitalism is probably more a perversion of that, a capture of that by enemy forces

 

[constant escape]

So I graduate from this pond, according to the feedback I get, but what would a larger pond look like? A larger pond which would incentivize/motivate/impel me to continue the optimization?

 

[constant escape]

Except capitalism is probably more a perversion of that, a capture of that by enemy forces

Precisely. Now we are getting somewhere. Haven;t gotten this far in dialogue.

 

[luka]

With usura hath no man a house of good stone
each block cut smooth and well fitting
that design might cover their face,
with usura
hath no man a painted paradise on his church wall
harpes et luz
or where virgin receiveth message
and halo projects from incision,
with usura
seeth no man Gonzaga his heirs and his concubines
no picture is made to endure nor to live with
but it is made to sell and sell quickly
with usura, sin against nature,
is thy bread ever more of stale rags
is thy bread dry as paper,
with no mountain wheat, no strong flour
with usura the line grows thick
with usura is no clear demarcation
and no man can find site for his dwelling.
Stonecutter is kept from his stone
weaver is kept from his loom
WITH USURA
wool comes not to market
sheep bringeth no gain with usura
Usura is a murrain, usura
blunteth the needle in the maid’s hand
and stoppeth the spinner’s cunning. Pietro Lombardo
came not by usura
Duccio came not by usura
nor Pier della Francesca; Zuan Bellin’ not by usura
nor was ‘La Calunnia’ painted.
Came not by usura Angelico; came not Ambrogio Praedis,
Came no church of cut stone signed: Adamo me fecit.
Not by usura St. Trophime
Not by usura Saint Hilaire,
Usura rusteth the chisel
It rusteth the craft and the craftsman
It gnaweth the thread in the loom
None learneth to weave gold in her pattern;
Azure hath a canker by usura; cramoisi is unbroidered
Emerald findeth no Memling
Usura slayeth the child in the womb
It stayeth the young man’s courting
It hath brought palsey to bed, lyeth
between the young bride and her bridegroom
CONTRA NATURAM
They have brought whores for Eleusis
Corpses are set to banquet
at behest of usura.

 

[constant escape]

A bit frenzied to appreciate that, but "usura" meaning usury, as a condemnable act? I like how it reads. Your point is the bastardization of the potential represented within capitalism?

 

[luka]

N.B. Usury: A charge for the use of purchasing power, levied without regard to production; often without regard to the possibilities of production. (Hence the failure of the Medici bank.)

 

[constant escape]

Capitalism as the perverted expression of cosmic optimization. What would the unperverted expression be? That theres the task, the application of the energy.

 

[constant escape]

Does that boil down to interest? Not sure I follow.

 

[luka]

The frenzy thing is interesting isn't it. It's a good example of gains in one area being offset by losses in another. Or each state having its own parameters and possibilities.

 

[constant escape]

Gnostically speaking, does perversion necessarily involve the insufficiency of thoroughness? Sexual perverts, or rapists, wanting a shortcut to libidinal expression, unable to abide by the supposedly accurate reality, the shared reality, the rules? Facile expression, cheating. PUA reeks of this, from what I can tell from afar.