luka
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of course not. hes not even good at music.
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Murphy
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Yep, a few times. One occasion he played mostly Planet E releases, bit of a trudge because there were no surprises.
2nd was distilled madness, shorter mixes, much wider scope of music and nothing seemed forced.
3rd think the drugs were too much, complete blur, kept asking a friend the time which I can’t recall but it’s been an in-joke among mates ever since whenever time/watches/clocks come up.
2nd was distilled madness, shorter mixes, much wider scope of music and nothing seemed forced.
3rd think the drugs were too much, complete blur, kept asking a friend the time which I can’t recall but it’s been an in-joke among mates ever since whenever time/watches/clocks come up.
Gus loves 'drippy trance' though. he can ascend to a different class. behave yourself Luke, gunshot fx are cliche for US people. You have to be good at the foreplay to waste his alt right spunk in a container which you can chuck away.
detroit is a very strange place. heavily racially segregated, but amongst direct racial more than directly class lines. Quite foreign to us living in the UK.
It's interesting to think about the capital W White Supremacist nature of America and how the detroit techno producers are impacted by it as a result. Even ascending to the middle class labour aristocracy, or into wealth still prevents a heavy degree of racial mixing, despite, or in spite of, their europhile tendancies. The UK middle classes are informally segregated of course but A) nowhere near even to the same degree - as Luke says we're all squashed together on this tiny tottering island, B) the black middle class in the UK generally speaking is even smaller than the US black middle class. Black people are much more proletarianised over here, it's why the university cultural appropriation/land back consciousness has never really taken off here, despite students trying to make that a reality - it's an american importation good for chewing your lecturers ear off about but it didn't even develop organically from the UK universities at all.
It's interesting to think about the capital W White Supremacist nature of America and how the detroit techno producers are impacted by it as a result. Even ascending to the middle class labour aristocracy, or into wealth still prevents a heavy degree of racial mixing, despite, or in spite of, their europhile tendancies. The UK middle classes are informally segregated of course but A) nowhere near even to the same degree - as Luke says we're all squashed together on this tiny tottering island, B) the black middle class in the UK generally speaking is even smaller than the US black middle class. Black people are much more proletarianised over here, it's why the university cultural appropriation/land back consciousness has never really taken off here, despite students trying to make that a reality - it's an american importation good for chewing your lecturers ear off about but it didn't even develop organically from the UK universities at all.
pattycakes_
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Fwiw, many of the Detroit originators were from middle class backgrounds though. Decent households, good schools etc. Not that it really matters
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yeah their parents were essentially foreman at plants, high up in unions, that kind of thing. what we call the labour aristocracy. Strictly speaking they were wage earners but not workers per se.
id say it matters in trying to understand why these rich stylish kids, who were so indebted to Europe are quite defensive of their sound in a way we aren't so much in the UK. The idea of seeing a 5000 rave with a black, white and asian mix would have been inconceivable to those lads. Even white people going to their high school dances was the exception more than the norm.
luka
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no they're not. everybody likes them what are you talking about.
id say techno as such becomes more working class when it crosses over to Europe and is recontextualised.
All them mental east berlin bredder raves, the orbit in morley, eurobeat 2000, the massive things in Belgium and holland etc. It's funny cos you essentially have no UR without Belgium but also you have no Belgium without chicago house and detroit techno. There's more of a feedback loop than people would like to admit. Similarly Jeff Mills toughened up his sound when he moved to new york and played to them lot at Limelight into Lenny Dee/industrial strength etc.
All them mental east berlin bredder raves, the orbit in morley, eurobeat 2000, the massive things in Belgium and holland etc. It's funny cos you essentially have no UR without Belgium but also you have no Belgium without chicago house and detroit techno. There's more of a feedback loop than people would like to admit. Similarly Jeff Mills toughened up his sound when he moved to new york and played to them lot at Limelight into Lenny Dee/industrial strength etc.
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Im serious. Americans really don't like them. Too heteronormative.