Been thinking about this topic quite a bit in relation to comedy. Lots has been written and said about ingroups laughing at outgroups, racist/otherwise bigoted comedy being possible due to (and reinforcing) shared worldviews and the likes, but i rarely see people talking about comedy as like... a tool or technology for transfer of cultural knowledge or something (cultural reproduction? am i using that right???), used to maybe convince someone of something, or to help assimilate and indoctrinate a target audience into a wider societal context or alternate worldview. to me it at least has felt like one can gleam all sorts of cultural information from another culture's comedy.
The bent of a whole lot of contemporary american alt comedy,(tim and eric, conner o'malley, million dollar extreme, leftist twitter podcast humor, memes and other internet comedy styles) for example, left right or "centre" seems to be to want to push it's audience in some ideological direction through either repetition of, deconstruction of, or wholecloth creation of, american culture war issues, both internet style/homegrown or astroturfed. Certainly in me, consumption of all the shit i named from a relatively early age has pushed me towards doing shit like quoting memes out loud and saying shit like "i'm obama, and im sucking dick at the dick sucking factory that i'm also about to suicide bomb because it's run by the globohomo nwo" at alarming frequency, and through being on the internet, i can see people's private languages and humor either taking the style of the website they're on, (as far as i can tell, at least 4chan, twitch, reddit, facebook, twitter, tumblr, something awful, youtube, all have both sitewide tropes and specific ingroups that generate their own behaviours) or straight up repeating the jokes/formats of specific people that influence them endlessly until the people they took it from say to stop (guilty!).
I know that at least million dollar extreme (sam hyde more specifically)'s explicit goal is to (in a mercenary sort of way) push people towards neoreactionary/libertarian/conspira-boomer/racist/mysogynist/fash-lite sentiment through a brainwash combination of dark, nasty, "post-ironic" comedy, futurist (fascist) art, and maybe it's most interesting (if most genuinely crook and fucked) innovation, the targeted and intentional psychological abuse of its audience.
Does this work? Who knows.
Unlike a lot of art, seems like because there's the pretense of comedy being (at least on some level) non fiction, that it winds up kind of hitting a sweet spot between the pourous part of your brain that wants to absorb new information and the lazy emperor part that just wants to lie on a couch and be fed grapes all the time
In online western spaces, it seems like the comedy of what you consume ends up shaping how you talk. Everyone on this forum seems (no offence) like either male (sorry lol) gen x brits who grew up reading books, consuming chris morris and the like or nonbinary zoomers who are internet raised, and are basically, literally, "actually me lol" me.
Am i wrong? Does comedy, like most art, only serve to reinforce your own beliefs and views?
Does it (also like most art) only shift your aesthetic sensibilities for the period of time in and around which you consume it?
Do you feel like the comedy you consume has influenced your dreams/hypnogogia like proper on-rails fiction and game mechanics have the capacity to do???
Did i use too many commas and bracketed sentences in writing this? (yes, and yes)
Does this relate at all to the thread topic?
Has this been posted in the thread already? (upon re-reading, it has and i probably should've just replied to wektor and started a conversation)
Is this post too long?
In all counts: Who cares!
The bent of a whole lot of contemporary american alt comedy,(tim and eric, conner o'malley, million dollar extreme, leftist twitter podcast humor, memes and other internet comedy styles) for example, left right or "centre" seems to be to want to push it's audience in some ideological direction through either repetition of, deconstruction of, or wholecloth creation of, american culture war issues, both internet style/homegrown or astroturfed. Certainly in me, consumption of all the shit i named from a relatively early age has pushed me towards doing shit like quoting memes out loud and saying shit like "i'm obama, and im sucking dick at the dick sucking factory that i'm also about to suicide bomb because it's run by the globohomo nwo" at alarming frequency, and through being on the internet, i can see people's private languages and humor either taking the style of the website they're on, (as far as i can tell, at least 4chan, twitch, reddit, facebook, twitter, tumblr, something awful, youtube, all have both sitewide tropes and specific ingroups that generate their own behaviours) or straight up repeating the jokes/formats of specific people that influence them endlessly until the people they took it from say to stop (guilty!).
I know that at least million dollar extreme (sam hyde more specifically)'s explicit goal is to (in a mercenary sort of way) push people towards neoreactionary/libertarian/conspira-boomer/racist/mysogynist/fash-lite sentiment through a brainwash combination of dark, nasty, "post-ironic" comedy, futurist (fascist) art, and maybe it's most interesting (if most genuinely crook and fucked) innovation, the targeted and intentional psychological abuse of its audience.
Does this work? Who knows.
Unlike a lot of art, seems like because there's the pretense of comedy being (at least on some level) non fiction, that it winds up kind of hitting a sweet spot between the pourous part of your brain that wants to absorb new information and the lazy emperor part that just wants to lie on a couch and be fed grapes all the time
In online western spaces, it seems like the comedy of what you consume ends up shaping how you talk. Everyone on this forum seems (no offence) like either male (sorry lol) gen x brits who grew up reading books, consuming chris morris and the like or nonbinary zoomers who are internet raised, and are basically, literally, "actually me lol" me.
Am i wrong? Does comedy, like most art, only serve to reinforce your own beliefs and views?
Does it (also like most art) only shift your aesthetic sensibilities for the period of time in and around which you consume it?
Do you feel like the comedy you consume has influenced your dreams/hypnogogia like proper on-rails fiction and game mechanics have the capacity to do???
Did i use too many commas and bracketed sentences in writing this? (yes, and yes)
Does this relate at all to the thread topic?
Has this been posted in the thread already? (upon re-reading, it has and i probably should've just replied to wektor and started a conversation)
Is this post too long?
In all counts: Who cares!