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Corpsey said:
I like some of those Tim Reaper tunes e.g. the Special Request remix (I know they're not what you're talking about) but at the same time I do wonder if it's just a case of retreading the same old classic sounds – so the idea of people making jungle who don't really know what jungle was is interesting to me.
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I used to be somewhat sympathetic to this view - padraig voice it's all ersatz, but then I realised that there is a demand for classic jungle, just like there is an unabaiting demand for classic hard techno. If anything, it's instructive to look at the continuum from the other perspective, of splits and specialisation. I sometimes get the feeling that those criticising neo-jungle for being too referential actually wouldn't like it if it didn't sound so classic, as it will sound less like jungle (see for instance Macc, Sileni, subvert central and the subtle audio crews.) I like this stuff personally, it's the best of both worlds of breakbeat madness and post-97 dnb type sonics, but for a lot of those lamenting, dnb became the original sin. Code from subtle audio still does a biweekly show on jungletrain.
 
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snav said:
I was sort of early on this one, discovered jungle (and honestly, my first love, happy hardcore) in 2008, as an American suburban 14 year old, thru Ishkur's guide to electronic music and Newgrounds audio forum (I think jungle was popular there because of video game music... think Bomberman for N64. One of the biggest producers there was ParagonX9, who was making little drum n bass tracks for people's flash videos), then I picked up FL Studio to try producing some.
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guess i'm also part of the "Ishkur generation" as far as getting into electronic music and a key aspect was def how beautifully half-familiar yet lost-to-time all those horrible quality excerpts of tunes sounded. whatever you'd call that feeling it's certainly not future shock. and ofc that quality has been a hallmark of internet music for 10+ years.

imo, connecting jungle to old video games and anime via samples, artwork, etc. is a very good move on these producers' parts. you have to draw on magic from some source, and i guess where i might disagree with the orthodoxy around here is that i think fictional worlds and characters can be as good a source of musical inspiration as irl parties or whatever.
 
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blissblogger said:
i just did a class on the Jamaican-UK thing and it is a bit disorienting to realise how little of the context is known to even pretty hip and widely listened 20-year-olds. For instance I had to explain what a 12-inch single was and how it differed from a 7-inch single - in order to get to why using 7-inches made the Jamaican approach to deejaying so different.
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wow, really? let me tell you guys, NO ONE would have to explain that to me, that's for sure, absolutely no one, nothing to see here folks, i know ALL about it...
 
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mvuent said:
guess i'm also part of the "Ishkur generation" as far as getting into electronic music and a key aspect was def how beautifully half-familiar yet lost-to-time all those horrible quality excerpts of tunes sounded. whatever you'd call that feeling it's certainly not future shock. and ofc that quality has been a hallmark of internet music for 10+ years.

imo, connecting jungle to old video games and anime via samples, artwork, etc. is a very good move on these producers' parts. you have to draw on magic from some source, and i guess where i might disagree with the orthodoxy around here is that i think fictional worlds and characters can be as good a source of musical inspiration as irl parties or whatever.
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It's fine. Just don't pretend it will work in the rave and it's all good, imho. Jungle has that strength through break chopping that unlike house or techno it doesn't necessarily have to be party music, not to sound too ltj bukem-y, although that first Spring Heal Jack record is great. But I cannot make a compelling case for how I can listen to house and techno at home to others, I just do, and quite a bit. But with jungle I certainly have more leeway to make that case.
 
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mvuent said:
wow, really? let me tell you guys, NO ONE would have to explain that to me, that's for sure, absolutely no one, nothing to see here folks, i know ALL about it...
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I could do with this one being explained tbh. Why is mixing different on 7 inch vs 12?
 
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catalog said:
yeah cos, correct me if i'm wrong, but single turntable was used primarily in the early days of sound system is that right? like 70s i mean, in this country.
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Mancuso also dj'd with one deck until the end of his life. I'm a big fan personally as it forces one to be more judicious with the selection but I still like two decks for the ability to do a quick crossfade.
 
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it's interesting that Jamaica with its obsession with bass would stick with the 7 inch format with its inferior bass response, but perhaps that is compensated for at the other end of the process by all the science of building speakers and designing woofers and so forth

one of the little jolts out of many in that Steve McQueen Lovers Rock film is seeing Mercury Sound at the blues with just the one turntable.
 
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