we cycle through a series of selves

[Clinamenic]

im trying to get past this and into the conceptualisation of a positive and identifiable cast of characters

Well I would imagine that has its uses, consolidating certain flavors of motivations and feelings into little psychic silos of identity.

 

[Clinamenic]

What distinguishes a self from a mood?

I think here we are going to use difference in mood as a partial basis for difference in self.

 

[luka]

What distinguishes a self from a mood?

i tend to extrapoloate from mood into character

 

[Clinamenic]

Well I would imagine that has its uses, consolidating certain flavors of motivations and feelings into little psychic silos of identity.

And then integrating those silos together whilst preserving their distinctions. Setting up supply routes between them, turning them into monads that reflect the wider system of you.

 

[Murphy]

far too vague. try harder please!

segue to

Yeah and science has a difficult time accounting for emergent phenomena, at least the kind of science I know and love, i.e. identifying/arbitrating some basic building blocks and scaling up from there. Emergence by definition confounds this epistemology.

edit: although really the units don't need to be basic so much as they need to be constitutive of higher order systems. That is, the units may be systems themselves, e.g. atoms, and divisible into finer and baser units yet.

Any personality has parts, it’s how you integrate them within an emotional framework or mode. If you mean @luka can you rotate or play them like cards or is there another way in, to possibly mediate and enhance, isn’t that what the imagination and good drugs are for? To take you beyond I to a self which then re-coagulates back to I

 

[Clinamenic]

I think the primary benefit of taking the schizoanalytic approach is that you don't have to kill off the aspects/components that don't neatly fit into a central, coherent picture. If an element doesn't fit in, or in the orbit of, a certain intensity, it can exit and gravitate toward another.

 

[versh]

I think here we are going to use difference in mood as a partial basis for difference in self.

i tend to extrapoloate from mood into character

That would make selves very rigid, if they're each a different mood and can't experience multiple moods.

 

[luka]

That would make selves very rigid, if they're each a different mood and can't experience multiple moods.

sure

 

[luka]

but a self can have its characteristic mood

 

[versh]

Inside TikTok's booming dissociative identity disorder community

Influencers who say they have DID, once known as multiple personality disorder, are a vocal — and controversial — presence on the app.

www.inputmag.com

 

[Clinamenic]

Any personality has parts, it’s how you integrate them within an emotional framework or mode. If you mean @luka can you rotate or play them like cards or is there another way in, to possibly mediate and enhance, isn’t that what the imagination and good drugs are for? To take you beyond I to a self which then re-coagulates back to I

After all it is commonly reported during psychedelic experiences that the sense of a distinct, singular self is dissolved into a sense of profound interconnectedness and continuity between the once-distinct I and the once-external world.

 

[Murphy]

Unless you’re from Burnley

 

[william_kent]

Dissociative Identity Disorder online test




edit: very controversial as whether this condition really exists, although vested interests ensure it remains in the DSM

 

[versh]

Inside TikTok's booming dissociative identity disorder community

Influencers who say they have DID, once known as multiple personality disorder, are a vocal — and controversial — presence on the app.

www.inputmag.com

"Asher, however, is not part of a typical influencer collective. He is one of many members of a 29-person “system,” all of whom share a single body, brain, and life. Each person, or “alter,” in the system is a distinct form of consciousness. This group of identities live together in the body of a 31-year-old man diagnosed with dissociative identity disorder (DID), previously known as multiple personality disorder...

Asher, who calls himself “the best alter,” acts as the “emotional protector” of The A System. Aged 22, he is what the community calls “frozen,” in that he does not age in the same way his body does. Other members of the system include Alex, the deep-voiced fan favorite, 32; April, a Starbucks-loving female alter who often controls the body during showers, 20; and Art, a young woman obsessed with succulent plants and Pokémon, 18."

 

[Clinamenic]

That would make selves very rigid, if they're each a different mood and can't experience multiple moods.

Maybe temperaments (as in sanguine or melancholic) are a better partial basis then, as they can include a span of moods that nonetheless resemble a coherent enough character.

 

[Murphy]

dissociation is a disconnect

ego states can be unhelpfully autonomous

 

[luka]

ok. so the answer is no. got it.

 

[Clinamenic]

Yeah I'm not convinced that this exercise would be particularly useful.

 

[luka]

its not an exercise so much as a question. and no one understands the question. i will ask again in a year or so.

 

[Clinamenic]

"Asher, however, is not part of a typical influencer collective. He is one of many members of a 29-person “system,” all of whom share a single body, brain, and life. Each person, or “alter,” in the system is a distinct form of consciousness. This group of identities live together in the body of a 31-year-old man diagnosed with dissociative identity disorder (DID), previously known as multiple personality disorder...

Asher, who calls himself “the best alter,” acts as the “emotional protector” of The A System. Aged 22, he is what the community calls “frozen,” in that he does not age in the same way his body does. Other members of the system include Alex, the deep-voiced fan favorite, 32; April, a Starbucks-loving female alter who often controls the body during showers, 20; and Art, a young woman obsessed with succulent plants and Pokémon, 18."

Actually a TikTok collective of DID vampires would make for an interesting film plot.