The Melancholia of Class

[luka]

They do though each dollar spent is a dollar less savings is a dollar more work down the line

For instance, if you gave up drinking you could've retired ages ago, toured America's natural beauty reserves with Craner, filmed a British road trip buddy comedy

People want to work

 

[sus]

Dying young of liver failure will save you quite a bit though

 

[sus]

People want to work

See this is what I can't understand, they seem to bitch and moan constantly about it

 

[version]

They do though each dollar spent is a dollar less savings is a dollar more work down the line

For instance, if you gave up drinking you could've retired ages ago, toured America's natural beauty reserves with Craner, filmed a British road trip buddy comedy

True, but you have to be able to withstand the vast apparatus pummeling you into submitting to the pleasure principle.

 

[luka]

People like moaning

 

[sus]

I'm gonna be so pissed if someone on this board dies young from liver failure.

My cultural relativism only stretches so far, sorry Brits

 

[sus]

People like moaning

That's true isn't it. They even moan about being bored in retirement. Completely free and still want to feel oppressed so they can bitch about it. No one actually wants freedom. The want excuses why they can't be free

 

[luka]

Nobody wants to escape life. They want to do the whole routine. Work, suffer, kids, old, fat, retire, moan. There's nothing else on offer.

 

[version]

i don't know. probably not long-term. but i did used to love being secure in that knowledge. rude-ness is quite a nice thing to inhabit if you have the opportunity. actually people being a bit intimidated by you is quite nice to inhabit. don't get to do it anymore but it was kind of, kind of fun as a teenager going into middle-class spaces and people interpreting you as trouble (especially if you were like us essentially very polite kids from the countryside).

I know what you mean, but it's something that makes me uncomfortable looking back as it was something I could move in and out of. Very different world for the people who are never seen as anything but trouble.

You can also get quite a scare playing that role if you run into someone who takes it seriously, particularly adults who don't care that you're a teenager.

 

[sus]

Nobody wants to escape life. They want to do the whole routine. Work, suffer, kids, old, fat, retire, moan. There's nothing else on offer.

Well there must be since you've chosen it

 

[version]

That's true isn't it. They even moan about being bored in retirement. Completely free and still want to feel oppressed so they can bitch about it. No one actually wants freedom. The want excuses why they can't be free

Do we really want out?

Reading that piece Corpse posted in Sufi's thread and looking through that Mindbloom site has me considering how much time we (people in general, and us on Dissensus) spend diagnosing problems then sneering at or dismissing any attempt at a solution. The diagnosis seems to be enough, so we go...

dissensus.com

 

[shakahislop]

"Locating leisure time in order to waste it may seem self-destructive or even idiotic. And yet this type of thinking, thinking with or through negation, is how we will begin to find ourselves again. First, by saying no to the middle-class capitalist world, turning away from it, and then by taking the time, using this dead time, to ask ourselves where the space is between who we are and where we come from and where the middle-class world begins. This won’t be easy or simple because much of what we have assumed were our own dreams or values, ideas or aesthetics, turn out to have been those of the middle-class culture, ideologies we’ve internalized so long ago, without having been conscious of ever having done so.”