The Erosion of Dissent

[Clinamenic]

And really that is the work of the neurasthenic here. To churn through conceptual material and generate good stuff.

 

[Clinamenic]

I'd have thought Luke would be into that tbh. The use of the imagination.

Who knows? Maybe it was an isolated, circumstantial opinion.

 

[Clinamenic]

And really that is the work of the neurasthenic here. To churn through conceptual material and generate good stuff.

The cost being the endurance of a neurosis that tends to entrench itself more and more deeply, propping one up higher and more remotely into the ideal realm, feet farther off the ground.

 

[luka]

theyre reading deleue and deleuze is going, i'll tell you what philosophy is about, it's about making shit up

 

[version]

I suppose one explanation for the dissent / right wing conflation could be that it limits the fight to a single front and keeps it firmly focused on culture rather than economics.

 

[luka]

it's not about whinging like an old woman, it's about making up cool concepts to impress the lads

 

[luka]

and you can read the Active & Reactive chapter in Deleuze's Nietzsche & Philosophy and go, ah, yeah, right i can see how this was a signpost to where we are now

 

[Clinamenic]

I suppose one explanation for the dissent / right wing conflation could be that it limits the fight to a single front and keeps it firmly focused on culture rather than economics.

Another factor here is that most people aren't interesting in the technical policy stuff. It's for the wonks among us. People are more naturally drawn to cultural matters, whereby simply being socially active is requisite for literacy.

 

[luka]

I'd have thought Luke would be into that tbh. The use of the imagination. The 'immaculate' bit you've tacked on is probably where he disagrees.

you got it

 

[Clinamenic]

Another factor here is that most people aren't interesting in the technical policy stuff.

Can you imagine normal people getting animated about deficit spending, scrolling through an endless feed of posts about monetary policy? But to controversial, provocative matters of culture, people are more naturally drawn.

 

[Clinamenic]

That is, people in influential positions wouldn't even have to work that hard to prevent most people from diving into the technical stuff. Most people are already naturally averted to such things.

 

[luka]

Can you imagine normal people getting animated about deficit spending, scrolling through an endless feed of posts about monetary policy? But to controversial, provocative matters of culture, people are more naturally drawn.

on the other hand it is very easy to imagine them animated about their pay packet, about the cost of goods on the market, about how much more the boss, the useless cunt, gets paid than they do

 

[version]

I don't know much about it, but I'm sympathetic to the idea that one of the few successful areas of resistance now we're in the digital era is open source software.

I guess you could chuck in online piracy too.

 

[luka]

economics, put in those terms, and not obfuscated, is something very close to everybodys heart becasue it goes a long way towards determining quality of life

 

[luka]

can you get a job? what are the conditions of employment? this is economics. to think of economics as just weird nerd shit is a mistake.

 

[Clinamenic]

I don't know much about it, but I'm sympathetic to the idea that one of the few successful areas of resistance now we're in the digital era is open source software.

I guess you could chuck in online piracy too.

Yeah the open source movement is something I'm passionate about too. Open source hardware, open source intelligence, blockchain, open access science, etc.

 

[Clinamenic]

can you get a job? what are the conditions of employment? this is economics. to think of economics as just weird nerd shit is a mistake.

Yeah I'm talking about economics as a soft scientific field of research.

 

[luka]

im not claiming we understand it, im saying we care about it, very deeply.

 

[Clinamenic]

im not claiming we understand it, im saying we care about it, very deeply.

I agree that people care about how economics impacts their life, but when we start talking about macroeconomics and monetary policy, it becomes more or less entirely remote as far as most people are concerned.

 

[version]

I agree that people care about how economics impacts their life, but when we start talking about macroeconomics and monetary policy, it becomes more or less entirely remote as far as most people are concerned.

It is very dull and difficult.