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Mr. Tea
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What aspect of his stories is it that needs to be sanitized? I understand he was a massive antisemite, but I don't recall there being potentially offensive stuff in his books - unless it's "body-shaming" in The Twits, something like that?
Benny Bunter
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Lol, they got rid of the word 'ugly' in the twits, but presumably not the illustrations? (Or the whole the fucking point of the story)
chava
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Hopefully peak woke has been reached before this Anglo-saxon nonsense reach foothold on the continent. Judging from the fallout from the current crisis it could very much be the case:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/feb/18/diversity-equity-and-inclusion-jobs-chopping-block/
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/feb/18/diversity-equity-and-inclusion-jobs-chopping-block/
Mr. Tea
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Or, as the old joke has it:I guess the reasoning is that by shaping the language you shape the thinking, but it can also feel superficial. I don't get the impression a big company hiring a DEI consultant to throw a bunch of jargon at a roomful of disinterested adults is really doing much to improve society, particularly now that there's evidence of this stuff being used against unionisation efforts.
You've even got The Guardian / Observer publishing writers pulling away from it now.
Focusing on diversity means we miss the big picture. It’s class that shapes our lives | Kenan Malik
In shifting our gaze from equality, we lose sight of the most marginalisedwww.theguardian.com
Equality and diversity are not, however, synonymous. Even as societies and institutions have become more diverse, many have also become more unequal. What has been created, Reed sardonically observes, is a “moral economy” in which “a society in which 1% of the population controlled 90% of the resources could be [regarded as] just, provided that roughly 12% of the 1% were black, 12% were Latino, 50% were women and whatever the appropriate proportions were LGBT people”.
Conservatives say it's fine that 10 people own half the world's wealth.
Socialists say "No it isn't."
Liberals say "FIVE OF THOSE PEOPLE SHOULD BE WOMEN!"
Mr. Tea
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Out of interest, can someone explain to me the difference between 'equality' and 'equity'? It's just that I always thought the latter meant how much of (say) a house or a company someone owned, but in the last couple of years, people (mainly Americans, I think) have begun using them as synonyms, or maybe near-synonyms with some subtle distinction that I don't get.I guess the reasoning is that by shaping the language you shape the thinking, but it can also feel superficial. I don't get the impression a big company hiring a DEI consultant to throw a bunch of jargon at a roomful of disinterested adults is really doing much to improve society, particularly now that there's evidence of this stuff being used against unionisation efforts.
You've even got The Guardian / Observer publishing writers pulling away from it now.
Focusing on diversity means we miss the big picture. It’s class that shapes our lives | Kenan Malik
In shifting our gaze from equality, we lose sight of the most marginalised
Equality and diversity are not, however, synonymous. Even as societies and institutions have become more diverse, many have also become more unequal. What has been created, Reed sardonically observes, is a “moral economy” in which “a society in which 1% of the population controlled 90% of the resources could be [regarded as] just, provided that roughly 12% of the 1% were black, 12% were Latino, 50% were women and whatever the appropriate proportions were LGBT people”.
Mr. Tea
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Yeah, we had stuff like Pride Month at Raytheon in the Woke Capitalism thread, I think.
Mr. Tea
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Mr. Tea
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I think it's because they're both really annoying.
Leo
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Media makes money from clicks, so they focus on outrage because it gets the eyeballs. if it bleeds, it leads. no one tunes in throughout the day to get the latest update on moderate policy or sensible debate cuz who cares. and yeah, older people have more time to sit in front of Fox News (or GB or whatever online) all day, but at the same time young people live on twitter and also immersed in the controversy du jour.
Clinamenic
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Corpsey
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Me, reading Roald Dahl to my kids, only I've black marker penned back in the mildly offensive stuff and red marker penned in additional, even more offensive, stuff, the BFG lecturing Sophie re: the great replacement, he refers to the Jews as 'creepsome schnozzfuzzlers', etcetera
Mr. Tea
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Maybe the 'F' doesn't stand for 'friendly' after all...