General election 2024

[versh]

Apart from the votes for 16 year olds thing, they might go for PR as well, knowing it would disadvantage the Tories in future elections. They'll say it's because it's a fairer system of course.

It is a fairer system. It only disadvantages the Tories in the sense that everyone getting a proportional number of seats means they don't get to run the place with their usual 40% of the vote. Also, the voting boundaries were changed in such a way that it benefits the Tories and Cameron changed the structure of the BBC so half the board were handpicked by the government...

Besides, a lot of these attempts at shoring up one's position are somewhat shortsighted. There's no guarantee they'll go the way you want and won't come back to haunt you. Will government appointees at the BBC benefit the Conservatives if Labour enter government and get to appoint their own? Will votes for sixteen year olds be a boost to Labour if the youth vote shifts to the right, as it has in parts of Europe?

 

[luka]

in terms of living in london, fuck the world, london was better under labour. we dont know how much of that is to do with economic conditions which were good under blair, but certainly the streets were less feral. people were objectively happier, fewer homless etc. but romanians and etc werent allowed here then (sorry buscujits) so its not like against like

 

[Mr. Tea]

Apart from the votes for 16 year olds thing, they might go for PR as well, knowing it would disadvantage the Tories in future elections. They'll say it's because it's a fairer system of course.

The Tories brought in the requirement for photo ID for voting, remember, which was pretty transparently done to make life difficult for the poorest voters, who overwhelmingly vote Labour and are unlikely to have a passport or driving license. Although there is some evidence from the last round of local elections that it may have done them more harm than good because a lot of old people don't have either of those things, too.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Ar least you more or less know what you're gonna get with the Tories,as feckless as they are.

I think you think this because of the hindsight of the last 14 years, though. I think if you'd gone back in time to just before the 2010 election and told voters that an uninterrupted run of Tory and Tory-led governments was about to start that would culminate with home ownership in freefall, the taxation burden reaching its highest level since 1969 and annual net immigration reaching 3/4 of a milion, a lot of them would have said "Sorry, don't you mean Labour governments?" Never mind the Trussterfuck that the so-called party of fiscal responsibility brought us two years ago.

Basically, the vast list of things they've fucked up include all the things they've always told us Labour governments would cause.

 

[Benny Bunter]

Yeah,I know, but do you really think any of those things will improve under Labour? Will they cut taxes, and reduce immigration and allow people to own their own homes? Things are terrible but they could easily just get even worse

 

[thirdform]

at least it will mean they will get off their arses instead of going to Spain. I might move to Spain, actually. But when the British expats leave. good food and funny women with an abiding love for the cheesiest musics such as happy hardcore, and weird robobumming schranz clubs in valencia.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Yeah,I know, but do you really think any of those things will improve under Labour? Will they cut taxes, and reduce immigration and allow people to own their own homes? Things are terrible but they could easily just get even worse

Obviously the country is not going to transform into a social-democratic utopia the moment Labour form a new government, or even after their first term. But even if some of the things we all complain about probably will stay the same, there will probably be fewer entirely new things for us to hate, and I think some things will actually improve. Look at how MPs voted in 2022 about an act that was supposed to "protect the environment" but was in fact almost completely toothless and included provisions for water companies to continue dumping raw sewage:

 

[thirdform]

Obviously the country is not going to transform into a social-democratic utopia the moment Labour form a new government, or even after their first term. But even if some of the things we all complain about probably will stay the same, there will probably be fewer entirely new things for us to hate, and I think some things will actually improve. Look at how MPs voted in 2022 about an act that was supposed to "protect the environment" but was in fact almost completely toothless and included provisions for water companies to continue dumping raw sewage:

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Don't think you guys realise that starmer is the sunak of labour. If he manages a first term that will be a miracle.

 

[thirdform]

I'm looking forward to a rerun of boris/javid 2022, but this time wrt labour.

 

[Mr. Tea]

at least it will mean they will get off their arses instead of going to Spain. I might move to Spain, actually. But when the British expats leave. good food and funny women with an abiding love for the cheesiest musics such as happy hardcore, and weird robobumming schranz clubs in valencia.

I can actually see you moving to Spain and deliberately setting about becoming the fattest, drunkest, most rubicund, most linguistically impoverished UK 'expat' of all time, just to prove that Turks do it better, or something.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

The Tories brought in the requirement for photo ID for voting, remember, which was pretty transparently done to make life difficult for the poorest voters, who overwhelmingly vote Labour and are unlikely to have a passport or driving license. Although there is some evidence from the last round of local elections that it may have done them more harm than good because a lot of old people don't have either of those things, too.

this is disinformation. There are lots of acceptable photo IDs, and if someone fails to present one they shouldn't be allowed to vote if they're so disorganised.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Obviously the country is not going to transform into a social-democratic utopia

This hasn't happened in any country.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

As for the environment, Starmer says he wants arrogate lots of green belt.

 

[versh]

The Tories brought in the requirement for photo ID for voting, remember, which was pretty transparently done to make life difficult for the poorest voters, who overwhelmingly vote Labour and are unlikely to have a passport or driving license. Although there is some evidence from the last round of local elections that it may have done them more harm than good because a lot of old people don't have either of those things, too.

The Tories also changed mayoral elections to FPTP in an attempt to benefit themselves.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Mr Arse Trike
vs
Hi-risk Anus

 

[versh]

Hope Liz Truss loses her seat.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Rees-Mogg has just said "In the words of Herbert Asquith, Earl of Oxford, 'Wait and see.'"

Ah yes, "wait and see", that obscure Latin phrase that only very erudite people ever use.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Hope Liz Truss loses her seat.

Give it five minutes and she'll be in the States with her own podcast, hosting free-market fundamentalists and "NRX" "philosophers", blaming her own failure on "globalists" and "the wokerati."

 

[catalog]

I might stay up. But I've only got one can left in the fridge.

 

[catalog]

Those hexagons, kinda interesting that on a first glance, it's non-red at the sides, on the coasts and beaches