Colombia

shakahislop

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I saw an impossibly proportioned woman on the shoreline. I couldn't believe my eyes. She was in a bikini. I could see her silhouette. The sun was blinding. That was nearly a decade ago, that kind of surgery wasn't everywhere I think, I didn't know about it, I didn't have that understanding, I didn't even consider it might not be natural. It felt like magical realism
 

yyaldrin

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the second time i was there we were drinking so much. there were strong sugary cocktails so cheap they were basically free. we were always sitting on the street in the heat. it was death drinking. obliterating everything. sitting on a manky portside in santa marta trying to talk. i was in the middle of paying a ransom (long and sad story), that's what we were avoiding
tell us about the ransom
 

vershy versh

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I don't keep up with contemporary lit at all, but Argentinian fantastic/horror fiction has gone through a trendy phase in the last decade. Samanta Schweblin and Mariana Enríquez (both translated into English by the same woman who did the Roberto Bolaño stuff) are both well worth checking out.

Can't help you with Colombia though, I'm afraid. Maybe it will go through a trendy phase too if it isn't already.

There's a Mexican writer called Fernanda Melchor who's quite popular at the moment. I read her book of crónicas, This Is Not Miami.
 

Goth Feet ASMR

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i have also been there, only once and solely for champeta/carnaval related things. it was one of the most magnificent experiences i have ever had.
speaking of which, here is a video i bought from a dude on the street in barranquilla. cannot recommend it enough, should you even maybe possibly think you might have an interest in champeta and the glorious subculture which surrounds it:

 

vershy versh

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An odd Colombian film. There were things I liked about it, but I didn't love it. It's great to look at, but derivative. There's at least one scene directly lifted from Beau Travail and the Lord of the Flies references are too on the nose. It also does the now-rote arthouse thing of stripping out dialogue and context and having characters behave strangely seemingly for the sake of it, e.g. suddenly jumping to someone doing a weird dance then just moving on to the next scene.

It has stuck in my mind though. There's a dreamy quality to it and the setting's stunning. It starts off on this mountain surrounded by clouds that you could stare at for hours.

It's on Channel 4 at the moment.

 

shakahislop

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An odd Colombian film. There were things I liked about it, but I didn't love it. It's great to look at, but very derivative. There's at least one scene directly lifted from Beau Travail and the Lord of the Flies references are too on the nose. It also does the now-rote arthouse thing of stripping out dialogue and context and having characters behave strangely, e.g. suddenly jumping to a character doing a strange dance then just moving onto something else.



this is one of the first arty films i saw in the cinema. in birmingham alabama i think. i just really like the way watching this kind of thing feels. it moves your mind into a different space, ie, there's something going on on the affective level. it's like a balm. granted it is harder to be bothered to show up and go to this stuff coz you know you've got to put the effort in to get something out of it.

i like films about children and childhood quite a lot, when they get the feel of what it was like to be a child right
 

vershy versh

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this is one of the first arty films i saw in the cinema. in birmingham alabama i think. i just really like the way watching this kind of thing feels. it moves your mind into a different space, ie, there's something going on on the affective level. it's like a balm. granted it is harder to be bothered to show up and go to this stuff coz you know you've got to put the effort in to get something out of it.

i like films about children and childhood quite a lot, when they get the feel of what it was like to be a child right

It definitely hampered the experience watching it on an ad-based streaming service. Hard to get fully immersed in something when you're getting bombarded with aftershave and car insurance every twenty minutes.

Agreed on the childhood aspect, but there were other things which bothered me. The drill instructor being a dwarf just felt like the director thought it would add to the weirdness, likewise the scene where they find shrooms. That just seemed to be there so he could do a 'trippy' scene where they fondle plants and swirl around.

The bit where some of them end up in the rapids is crazy. Wonder how they got away with filming that.
 

shakahislop

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It definitely hampered the experience watching it on an ad-based streaming service. Hard to get fully immersed in something when you're getting bombarded with aftershave and car insurance every twenty minutes.

Agreed on the childhood aspect, but there were other things which bothered me. The drill instructor being a dwarf just felt like the director thought it would add to the weirdness, likewise the scene where they find shrooms. That just seemed to be there so he could do a 'trippy' scene where they fondle plants and swirl around.

The bit where some of them end up in the rapids is crazy. Wonder how they got away with filming that.
i think that is something i am really going to struggle to replicate if i ever leave nyc. all this kind of film is so tied up with seeing it in the cinema for me. i need the disciplinary environment where i'm not allowed to look at my phone.

i saw it when it came out so can't remember most of the film. i agree with you though on how you describe those bits (which i can't remember). there's some kind of lineage originating probably in surrealism that you still see all over the place throughout culture which i've never liked. it's a dividing line i think, whether or not you like that. i'm really solidly in the naturalism / realism / whatever you're supposed to call it camp. the surreal reminds me of (posh) teenagers branching out into the high culture of their parents. perhaps an unfair characterisation but that's what it does for me on a very subjective level.
 

IdleRich

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Haven't read any other Colombians apart from Marquez, but I've enjoyed these from the Latin Boom era.

Cortázar - loads of short stories, especially La Casa Tomada

Vargas Llosa - The Cubs, his first book, a very twisted novella. Haven't tried his big novels.

Jose Donoso - The Obscene Bird of Night, possibly the most weird and disturbing novel I've ever read

Juan Rulfo - Pedro Páramo (a ghostly short novel) and The Burning Plain (short stories). He was Mexican so only loosely associated with the Boom but definitely worth a read. Obsessed with death and suffering in a very Mexican way.

I actually thought Vargas Llosa was from Colombia. Which is bad cos I read one of his recently. I actually can't remember where it was set.

The Obscene Bird of Night is quite something eh? I read it so long ago that all I remember is the imbunche

The novel explores the cyclical nature of life and death and the connection between childhood and old age through shared fears and fantasies and a mutual lack of bodily control. Donoso invokes the Imbunche myth to symbolize the process of reduction of the physical and intellectual self, turning the living being into a thing or object incapable of interacting with the outside world, and depriving it of its individuality and even of its name. This can either be self-inflicted or forced upon by others.

The myth comes from the oral tradition of Chiloé Island, an island of the southern coast of Chile. In its physical manifestation, it is a grotesquely disfigured being that has been sutured, tied, bound and wrapped from birth. In this way, its orifices are sewn shut, its tongue is removed or split, its extremities and sexual organ bound and immobilised. It is then kept as a guardian to a cave. It is the product of magic and witchcraft. It is the incarnation of the very realistic fears we feel as children, when monsters, magic and imaginings all seem real – they are the deeply rooted fears that, despite rationalisation, remain present (albeit dormant) in the recesses of the subconscious.

Actually I do remember this bit, thinking what the fuck is going on here

Even the identity of the characters becomes ambiguous or distorted sometimes, as for instance when Humberto says that Iris was developing a substantial clientele in the neighbourhood and then proceeds to say that he would hide inside the Ford car to watch her make love... to himself, as if it were an out-of-body experience.

Cortazar I've read a lot of his short stories and also Hopscotch - though not as you're supposed to, I'm afraid that that was too much effort.

An author's note suggests that the book would best be read in one of two possible ways: either progressively from chapters 1 to 56, with all subsequent "expendable chapters" being excluded, or by "hopscotching" through the entire set of 155 chapters according to a "Table of Instructions" designated by the author. Chapter 55 is left out all together in this second method, and the book would end with a recursive loop, as the reader is potentially left to "hopscotch" back and forth between chapters 58 and 131 infinitely.[4] Cortázar also leaves the reader the option of choosing a unique path through the narrative.
 

vershy versh

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i think that is something i am really going to struggle to replicate if i ever leave nyc. all this kind of film is so tied up with seeing it in the cinema for me. i need the disciplinary environment where i'm not allowed to look at my phone.

I don't have an issue when I'm watching a Blu-ray or just something without ad breaks, but a lot of the free streaming services are supported by advertisers and I don't want to have to buy every film I want to see or pay to subscribe to loads of different services so I just have to put up with them for now.

i saw it when it came out so can't remember most of the film. i agree with you though on how you describe those bits (which i can't remember). there's some kind of lineage originating probably in surrealism that you still see all over the place throughout culture which i've never liked. it's a dividing line i think, whether or not you like that. i'm really solidly in the naturalism / realism / whatever you're supposed to call it camp. the surreal reminds me of (posh) teenagers branching out into the high culture of their parents. perhaps an unfair characterisation but that's what it does for me on a very subjective level.

Yeah, the use of the dwarf in particular made me think of people like Lynch and Herzog and Jodorowsky. It's this cinematic shorthand for surrealism. "Oh, and there's a dwarf!"
 

vershy versh

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I actually thought Vargas Llosa was from Colombia. Which is bad cos I read one of his recently. I actually can't remember where it was set.

He's from Peru. The one I read was set in the Andes and involved Shining Path, so very much a Peruvian novel.
 

vershy versh

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Just been flicking through the news and seen this. Great timing.


Fujimori, a former university professor, burst on to the political scene in 1990 as an “outsider” presidential candidate, winning a surprise victory against writer and Nobel prize winner Mario Vargas Llosa.
 
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