THE SEMIOTIC WOUND

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The wound framing's interesting to me as it suggests a whole cleaved in two by Saussure and co. Maybe @sus or @Murphy can weigh in on how people viewed cave paintings or totems back in the day. Surely they still considered them representations and not the real thing?
 
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william_kent said:
I wasn't being literal, but more people have read about fringes in films about Romans than have read sausage..oops, spellcheck.. Saussure
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versh said:
The wound framing's interesting to me as it suggests a whole cleaved in two by Saussure and co. Maybe @sus or @Murphy can weigh in on how people viewed cave paintings or totems back in the day. Surely they still considered them representations and not the real thing?
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I recently read a novel that was long listed for this year's Booker prize that weaves this train of thought in with a tale of Tiqqun / Tarnac environmental activism infiltrated by cynical undercover agent

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If symbolism could be defined as the act of storing information outside of one’s own mind, early Homo sapiens had chosen to store images that were already abundant, and by rendering likenesses of the animals he hunted, the Homo sapiens was attempting to exert power, and to own.

The Neanderthal, in contrast, wanted to record what he saw in dreams, to put into the world what otherwise did not exist. The marks that Thal was believed to have left, on cave walls, on rocks, on animal bones, were abstract codes of great mystery and transcendent beauty. Lines, dots, slants, cuts. And two colors: red and black.

These colors, red and black, were of course the scheme of the classic twentieth-century anarchist flag,
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versh said:
Any good? She's supposed to be a big fan of DeLillo and it shows in that excerpt. Reminds me of him going on about people wanting to become stones again in Point Omega and the talk of the Ugaritic tablets in The Names.
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I enjoyed it - I'll do a review when I haven't had some rum, it's worth a read though, Unabomber Tiqqun Debord Celine anti vibes
 
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william_kent said:
I enjoyed it - I'll do a review when I haven't had some rum, it's worth a read though, Unabomber Tiqqun Debord Celine anti vibes
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There's a page on Not Bored that rips into her re: some clip where she talks about Debord:

In only one minute and fifty seconds, Rachel Kushner (speaking in a video uploaded on 30 July 2009 by her publisher, Simon & Schuster, which also has placed it on the page that advertizes her latest novel) racks up an impressive number of mistakes about Guy Debord and his film In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni. She gets the title wrong in both languages: she drops the word “et” out of the Latin; and she mistranslates the phrase into English (it actually means “we turn round in the night and are consumed by fire”: she imagines people turning around a fire instead of being consumed by it!). The footage that was not shot by Debord himself was not “found footage,” which implies snippets from generic or non-artistic works, but extended excerpts from famous films that he specifically requested.​
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What Rachel Kushner Knows About Guy Debord
 
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